Mass Deportation and Immigration Catch-All | CIA using drones to spy on Mexican drug cartels

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nycfan said:
I could care less about the well-being of the cartels but am concerned about launching attacks inside the sovereign borders of our allies in the region without their consent or cooperation. What if Mexico or Canada decides to start bombing gun manufacturers in the United States because we do little to nothing to stop them from supplying weapons to the cartels? Sure, that seems unlikely but using force in the region without cooperation from the governments of the applicable countries has typically been a bad approach to U.S. foreign policy.
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How someone as smart as that poster appears to think he is doesn’t understand this is bewildering.
 
nycfan said:
I could care less about the well-being of the cartels but am concerned about launching attacks inside the sovereign borders of our allies in the region without their consent or cooperation.
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Which can't happen, because the cartels don't just hang out in large corporate campuses with adequate signage.

The drug cartels are successful and hard to combat precisely because they are embedded within Mexican society. In some places, the cartel "headquarters" is the local police station.

There is no way to target cartels with drone strikes in such a way that would avoid destroying assets of the Mexican government, or assets of Mexican nationals who aren't involved with the cartels at all.
 
superrific said:
The proper response: cool, but please do not drone strike into territory controlled by other countries, especially our allies.
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Well, if we do it over the objections of the Mexican gov't, that gives the gov't some deniability that they probably wouldn't mind having.

I have mixed feelings about this. They are truly awful people, and might as well be labelled terrorists IMO, but it seems obvious there are going to be repurcussions on US soil.
 
superrific said:
There is no way to target cartels with drone strikes in such a way that would avoid destroying assets of the Mexican government, or assets of Mexican nationals who aren't involved with the cartels at all.
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I dunno, a lot of those guys have pretty large ranches, and I'm sure the caches aren't being stored at the local police station
 
TarSpiel said:
I dunno, a lot of those guys have pretty large ranches, and I'm sure the caches aren't being stored at the local police station
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I'm not sure of that at all. In fact, I'd be surprised if they weren't.

These cartels are no fucking joke. I realized years ago just how serious they were when I read an article about how they got into the oil business. They literally put a spike into one of the oil pipelines, drove truck and truck into the cave where they spiked it until they filled a fucking oil tanker, and then they sent the tanker to Louisiana to sell the oil. That is a crazy operation. Like military grade logistics.

If they are just sitting on large ranches where they store their stuff, the Mexicans would have defeated them long ago.
 
superrific said:
I'm not sure of that at all. In fact, I'd be surprised if they weren't.

These cartels are no fucking joke. I realized years ago just how serious they were when I read an article about how they got into the oil business. They literally put a spike into one of the oil pipelines, drove truck and truck into the cave where they spiked it until they filled a fucking oil tanker, and then they sent the tanker to Louisiana to sell the oil. That is a crazy operation. Like military grade logistics.

If they are just sitting on large ranches where they store their stuff, the Mexicans would have defeated them long ago.
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Well, I don't know. I just assumed they'd be stored in compounds closer to where they were produced, and closer to trade routes, but I really have no idea, you could be right.

And yea, they are very evil people, and very smart. If we start droning them, it's very easy for me to imagine large-scale reprisals on US soil.
 
TarSpiel said:
Well, I don't know. I just assumed they'd be stored in compounds closer to where they were produced, and closer to trade routes, but I really have no idea, you could be right.

And yea, they are very evil people, and very smart. If we start droning them, it's very easy for me to imagine large-scale reprisals on US soil.
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Obviously I don't have any actual knowledge. But remember: this stuff doesn't require a lot of volume. A 2mg dose (according to the news, about the volume of 5 grains of salt) can kill an adult. Let's assume 1mg is an average dose. That means 1 kg is 1000 doses. 10kg is 1M doses. 100kg -- i.e. a single filled garbage can -- would be 1B doses and enough supply to last years.

This isn't weed. You don't need caves to store the stuff. The trunks of three cars is probably sufficient.
 
nycfan said:

As Trump ‘Exports’ Deportees, Hundreds Are Trapped in Panama Hotel​


GIFT LINK 🎁 —> Under Trump’s Mass Deportation Plan, Some Migrants Are Being Sent to Panama
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“… On Wednesday, U.S. officials began flying hundreds of people, including people from Asian, Middle Eastern and African countries, to Panama, which is under intense pressure to appease Mr. Trump, who has threatened to take over the Panama Canal.

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The Panamanian government has barred journalists from visiting the migrants. But The New York Times managed to interview several people inside the hotel, all of whom said they were asylum seekers being held against their will.

In one window visible from a sidewalk below the hotel, a woman clawed at a latchless glass pane in an attempt to escape. When she noticed journalists below, she held up a piece of paper that read “Afghan.”

She made hand motions that indicated an airplane, then her head falling off. The message seemed to be clear: A flight home meant death.

… A migrant from Iran, Artemis Ghasemzadeh, 27, wrote “Help us” in lipstick on one window. The Times, which was able to contact Ms. Ghasemzadeh and other deportees by cellphone, conducted interviews with her, several other Iranian deportees and a migrant from China. Many of the deportees wanted only their first or last names used out of fear that they would suffer reprisals if returned to their countries. …”
 
nycfan said:
“… On Wednesday, U.S. officials began flying hundreds of people, including people from Asian, Middle Eastern and African countries, to Panama, which is under intense pressure to appease Mr. Trump, who has threatened to take over the Panama Canal.

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The Panamanian government has barred journalists from visiting the migrants. But The New York Times managed to interview several people inside the hotel, all of whom said they were asylum seekers being held against their will.

In one window visible from a sidewalk below the hotel, a woman clawed at a latchless glass pane in an attempt to escape. When she noticed journalists below, she held up a piece of paper that read “Afghan.”

She made hand motions that indicated an airplane, then her head falling off. The message seemed to be clear: A flight home meant death.

… A migrant from Iran, Artemis Ghasemzadeh, 27, wrote “Help us” in lipstick on one window. The Times, which was able to contact Ms. Ghasemzadeh and other deportees by cellphone, conducted interviews with her, several other Iranian deportees and a migrant from China. Many of the deportees wanted only their first or last names used out of fear that they would suffer reprisals if returned to their countries. …”
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What in the actual fuck have we become?
 
Callatoroy said:
If mexico won't do anything about the cartels, trump said during the campaign he would. I'm just very interested to see that if he did attack a cartel with a drone, how many on here would be sympathetic to the cartel.
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No one would. But you miss the point (as usual). The point is the US would be carrying out military action in the territory of an ally. Drone attacks would result in the deaths of innocent people. Just see Gaza as a point of reference. How would you feel if Mexico carried drone strikes in the US?
 
wmheel1287 said:
Making an "ASMR" video of any criminal and publishing it on the official account of the White House is grotesque and emblematic of a people and nation with no moral grounding.
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Deporting criminals is moral purity for the country. Not deporting them and complaining about deporting them is a sign of immorality
 
Callatoroy said:
Deporting criminals is moral purity for the country. Not deporting them and complaining about deporting them is a sign of immorality
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Way to avoid the topic and reply to my post without actually addressing what I said.

I have no issue deporting people who require deportation due to criminality. I have a serious issue with making ASMR porn out of any criminal punishment. After you get done pleasuring yourself to the video, you can come back to reality and stick to the topic.
 
nycfan said:
“… On Wednesday, U.S. officials began flying hundreds of people, including people from Asian, Middle Eastern and African countries, to Panama, which is under intense pressure to appease Mr. Trump, who has threatened to take over the Panama Canal.

…
The Panamanian government has barred journalists from visiting the migrants. But The New York Times managed to interview several people inside the hotel, all of whom said they were asylum seekers being held against their will.

In one window visible from a sidewalk below the hotel, a woman clawed at a latchless glass pane in an attempt to escape. When she noticed journalists below, she held up a piece of paper that read “Afghan.”

She made hand motions that indicated an airplane, then her head falling off. The message seemed to be clear: A flight home meant death.

… A migrant from Iran, Artemis Ghasemzadeh, 27, wrote “Help us” in lipstick on one window. The Times, which was able to contact Ms. Ghasemzadeh and other deportees by cellphone, conducted interviews with her, several other Iranian deportees and a migrant from China. Many of the deportees wanted only their first or last names used out of fear that they would suffer reprisals if returned to their countries. …”
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Patb78 said:
No one would. But you miss the point (as usual). The point is the US would be carrying out military action in the territory of an ally. Drone attacks would result in the deaths of innocent people. Just see Gaza as a point of reference. How would you feel if Mexico carried drone strikes in the US?
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I haven't missed any point. Mexico is complicit in killing 70,000 mostly innocent Americans every year by their refusal to clamp down on the cartels. They have had ample opportunity but have shown either through capitulation, corruption, or weakness that they are feckless in dealing with the cartels. So, trump threatens tariffs to get them to clamp down which won't likely work so the next step on the ladder is to target them as terrorists and attack them. Comparing a drone strike on some cartel outpost in the jungle vs gaza is a horrible comparison. Not even close to the same. With respect to this issue, mexico can suck a big ole avocado and chase it with a corona.
 
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