Mass Deportation and Immigration Catch-All | Trump promotes “Gold Card” path to citizenship for $5 million

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Callatoroy said:
I'm a big fan of using prison labor to pick crops, meat packing, etc. Paying them the going rate, taking the money and putting it in a fund to support their burden to the state, pay restitution where applicable, and investing it for them so that when they get out they actually have something to begin a new life with rather than giving them $200 and a bus ticket (if that type of thing is done anymore)
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Indentured servitude, if you will?
 
Callatoroy said:
I'm a big fan of using prison labor to pick crops, meat packing, etc. Paying them the going rate, taking the money and putting it in a fund to support their burden to the state, pay restitution where applicable, and investing it for them so that when they get out they actually have something to begin a new life with rather than giving them $200 and a bus ticket (if that type of thing is done anymore)
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I picture the grift and graft shown in Shawshank Redemption as exemplified by the warden. Or, worse, the road, lumber, farm, and mining crews, particularly in the South, between the Civil War and WWII.
 
Zoo_View said:
I picture the grift and graft shown in Shawshank Redemption as exemplified by the warden. Or, worse, the road, lumber, farm, and mining crews, particularly in the South, between the Civil War and WWII.
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Now, surely you're not suggesting that the state might abuse its power if allowed to profit from imprisoning Americans?

It's quite something, really. The folks like Calla who claim to really have it out for China are the ones who favor the policies of the Chinese government and want to pursue them here.
 
superrific said:
Of course you are. You're also oblivious to the implications of that.
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LOL, you are nothing if not so damn predictable. You don't know what anyone knows on here. I do have experience in working with a customer who, in conjunction with that state's prison system operates a portion of their business using prison labor. The prisoners are paid exactly what the non-prisoners are paid. The prisoner's wages are handled exactly as I stated. The competition to get those jobs within the prison is pretty high. The customer says that they hardly ever experience people not showing up for work because the alternative is to sit in a cell. They don't have productivity issues because there are incentives built into the system so that working harder yields higher pay. And when they leave prison they actually have a marketable skill. The recidivism rate from that prison was 13% vs. the mid 40% range for the state's other prisons.
 
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Trump and Mexican president say they had a good call – though no sign of backing down on tariff pledge | CNN Politics

President-elect Donald Trump said Wednesday that he had a “productive conversation” with Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum, their first talks since Trump announced tariffs against the US’ southern neighbor.
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Mexico’s president denies Trump’s claim that she agreed to shut down the US-Mexico border​


“Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum denied proposing to US President-elect Donald Trump that Mexico will close its border with the United States as he claimed in a post on Truth Social.

“Everyone has their own way of communicating, but I can assure you, I give you the certainty that we would never — and we would be incapable of it — propose that we would close the border,” Sheinbaum said during her regular morning news conference Thursday.

“It has never been our approach and of course we don’t agree with that.”

…In her own statement about the conversation, Sheinbaum said she shared Mexico’s immigration strategy with the president-elect and stressed that her country’s “position is not to close borders.”

“In our conversation with President Trump, I explained to him the comprehensive strategy that Mexico has followed to address the migration phenomenon, respecting human rights,” Sheinbaum said Wednesday on X. Thanks to this, migrants and caravans are assisted before they arrive at the border. We reiterate that Mexico’s position is not to close borders but to build bridges between governments and between peoples.”

Sheinbaum had previously said that Mexico has worked with the Biden administration to address the flow of migrants through the country, leading to a 75% reduction in US border crossings over the past year.

And after the call with Trump on Wednesday, she did not outline any new policies she planned to put in place in order to avoid tariffs, focusing instead on how her country had already acted to address the crisis. …”

 
Callatoroy said:
LOL, you are nothing if not so damn predictable. You don't know what anyone knows on here. I do have experience in working with a customer who, in conjunction with that state's prison system operates a portion of their business using prison labor. The prisoners are paid exactly what the non-prisoners are paid. The prisoner's wages are handled exactly as I stated. The competition to get those jobs within the prison is pretty high. The customer says that they hardly ever experience people not showing up for work because the alternative is to sit in a cell. They don't have productivity issues because there are incentives built into the system so that working harder yields higher pay. And when they leave prison they actually have a marketable skill. The recidivism rate from that prison was 13% vs. the mid 40% range for the state's other prisons.
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See, here's the thing about being a bullshitter. You don't know what gives you away. It's like in Inglorious Basterds, when Hicox puts up three fingers. Everyone in the room knew who he was, while he was sitting there thinking that he was nailing it.

Here, the three fingers is your claim about productivity issues. Are you REALLY under the impression that "productivity issues" go away because of performance incentives is comical. In your world, I guess, the millions of employers who would like better productivity from their workers are fucking idiots. Why didn't they just think of using incentives? Genius! LOL. Fucking rube.

Anyway, there are also numerous problems with the other claims you've made. The program you are describing exists nowhere in the US. Maybe you're thinking of a limited work release/training program that solicits participation from inmates near the end of their terms -- which is not a general system of prison labor and definitely isn't going to provide ag labor to replace immigrants.

But the three fingers is the ridiculous claim about productivity. That, and the idea that you can compare recidivism rates between prisons. States generally don't collect data like that, and if they do, they tend not to release it -- because it doesn't really make any sense. But sure, carry on.
 
Callatoroy said:
LOL, you are nothing if not so damn predictable. You don't know what anyone knows on here. I do have experience in working with a customer who, in conjunction with that state's prison system operates a portion of their business using prison labor. The prisoners are paid exactly what the non-prisoners are paid. The prisoner's wages are handled exactly as I stated. The competition to get those jobs within the prison is pretty high. The customer says that they hardly ever experience people not showing up for work because the alternative is to sit in a cell. They don't have productivity issues because there are incentives built into the system so that working harder yields higher pay. And when they leave prison they actually have a marketable skill. The recidivism rate from that prison was 13% vs. the mid 40% range for the state's other prisons.
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I'd like to learn more about this program. Which prison are you referring to?
 
I worked on a case for an inmate a couple of years ago who participated in an in-prison work program. She and some of her coworkers were repeatedly raped by their civilian supervisor. So yeah, color me skeptical about the integrity of such programs.
 
Clearly Mexico can, if it wants to, impact the volume of migrants that get to the US border from within Mexico and Central/South America. I have no problem with the US government working with and leveraging Mexico to control their borders more effectively so we can better control our borders.

There are a reported 1.4 million illegal immigrants in the country that have been order to leave by the court system. I have no problem with Trump using existing resources to find and remove them.

There are also a reported 13k migrant criminals in ICE detention (aka "camps" on the Left). I would expect all of them to be deported also.

No, they should not have gender transition surgeries, on taxpayers' dimes, before leaving. 😁
 
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Activists say Mexican authorities have broken up 2 migrant caravans heading to the US

Activists say Mexican immigration authorities have broken up two small migrant caravans headed to the U.S. border.
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Activists say Mexican authorities have broken up 2 migrant caravans heading to the US​


“Mexican immigration authorities have broken up two small migrant caravans headed to the U.S. border, activists said Saturday.

Some migrants were bused to cities in southern Mexico, and others were offered transit papers. …

Migrant rights activist Luis García Villagrán said the breaking-up of the two caravans appeared to be part of “an agreement between the president of Mexico and the president of the United States.”

… Apart from the much larger first caravans in 2018 and 2019 — which were provided buses to ride part of the way north — no caravan has ever reached the U.S. border walking or hitchhiking in any cohesive way, though some individual members have made it.

For years, migrant caravans have often been blocked, harassed or prevented from hitching rides by Mexican police and immigration agents. They have also frequently been rounded up or returned to areas near the Guatemalan border.

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A potentially positive development I guess (?)
 
nycfan said:
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Activists say Mexican authorities have broken up 2 migrant caravans heading to the US

Activists say Mexican immigration authorities have broken up two small migrant caravans headed to the U.S. border.
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Activists say Mexican authorities have broken up 2 migrant caravans heading to the US​


“Mexican immigration authorities have broken up two small migrant caravans headed to the U.S. border, activists said Saturday.

Some migrants were bused to cities in southern Mexico, and others were offered transit papers. …

Migrant rights activist Luis García Villagrán said the breaking-up of the two caravans appeared to be part of “an agreement between the president of Mexico and the president of the United States.”

… Apart from the much larger first caravans in 2018 and 2019 — which were provided buses to ride part of the way north — no caravan has ever reached the U.S. border walking or hitchhiking in any cohesive way, though some individual members have made it.

For years, migrant caravans have often been blocked, harassed or prevented from hitching rides by Mexican police and immigration agents. They have also frequently been rounded up or returned to areas near the Guatemalan border.

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A potentially positive development I guess (?)
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Mexican authorities on the southern border are very harsh on Central American migrants. The unintended consequence is that it has created a greater profit motive for human traffickers. The business has expanded from just smuggling persons from Mexico into the US, but now smugglers offer the service of getting you across Mexico, bribing authorities along the way.
 
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