Mass Deportation and Immigration Catch-All | Trump promotes “Gold Card” path to citizenship for $5 million

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superrific said:
You're just now wondering that?
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I was being more than a little sarcastic. But the total absence of logic in Trump’s positions really does still surprise me sometimes.

ETA — Also, I think this speaks to the way labels impact Trump. Dreamers = good. Anchor babies = bad. If you flipped the terms, he would flip his policies.
 
lawtig02 said:
I was being more than a little sarcastic. But the total absence of logic in Trump’s positions really does still surprise me sometimes.

ETA — Also, I think this speaks to the way labels impact Trump. Dreamers = good. Anchor babies = bad. If you flipped the terms, he would flip his policies.
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Got it. Agree with all. Sorry I missed the sarcasm.
 
lawtig02 said:
So he wants to keep the Dreamers but deport US citizens? I’m really wondering how much he understands what he’s talking about.
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Deport them to where? What’s the difference in them vs Dreamers? Only their citizenship, which is a birthright. He can attempt to change that but I don’t believe even this fucked up Supreme Court will allow him to make it retroactive!
 
We cannot keep assuming that the adults in the room in government are going to be able to stop Trump. They might, but he has surrounded himself with sycophants. Best to take him at his word, no matter how ridiculous it is, and prepare for what could be coming down the pipeline.
 
sringwal said:
We cannot keep assuming that the adults in the room in government are going to be able to stop Trump. They might, but he has surrounded himself with sycophants. Best to take him at his word, no matter how ridiculous it is, and prepare for what could be coming down the pipeline.
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The adults…you mean the senile insulated grandparents?
 
Not sure how I feel about birthright citizenship but, depending on the costs of the execution, I don't see anything wrong with this plan, if accurate.

Trump aims to deport all immigrants in the US illegally​

  • Trump aims to deport all immigrants in the US illegally over four years
  • Open to deal to protect 'Dreamers' brought to the US illegally as children
  • Trump says he would try to end birthright citizenship immediately
WASHINGTON, Dec 8 (Reuters) - U.S. President-elect Donald Trump aims to deport all immigrants in the U.S. illegally over his four-year term but wants a deal to protect so-called "Dreamer" immigrants, he said in an interview that aired on Sunday on NBC News' “Meet the Press with Kristen Welker.”
Trump also said he plans to take executive action on his first day in office to try to end birthright citizenship, which confers citizenship on anyone born in the U.S. regardless of their parents' immigration status.

Trump, a Republican who won a second term in the White House promising mass deportations, is expected to declare illegal immigration a national emergency when he takes office on Jan. 20 and draw on resources from across the federal government to support a wide-ranging crackdown.
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security estimated some 11 million immigrants were in the U.S. illegally as of January 2022, although the figure is likely higher today. In the NBC News interview, Welker asked Trump if his plan was to deport everyone without legal status.

 
ZenMode said:
Not sure how I feel about birthright citizenship but, depending on the costs of the execution, I don't see anything wrong with this plan, if accurate.

Trump aims to deport all immigrants in the US illegally​

  • Trump aims to deport all immigrants in the US illegally over four years
  • Open to deal to protect 'Dreamers' brought to the US illegally as children
  • Trump says he would try to end birthright citizenship immediately
WASHINGTON, Dec 8 (Reuters) - U.S. President-elect Donald Trump aims to deport all immigrants in the U.S. illegally over his four-year term but wants a deal to protect so-called "Dreamer" immigrants, he said in an interview that aired on Sunday on NBC News' “Meet the Press with Kristen Welker.”
Trump also said he plans to take executive action on his first day in office to try to end birthright citizenship, which confers citizenship on anyone born in the U.S. regardless of their parents' immigration status.

Trump, a Republican who won a second term in the White House promising mass deportations, is expected to declare illegal immigration a national emergency when he takes office on Jan. 20 and draw on resources from across the federal government to support a wide-ranging crackdown.
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security estimated some 11 million immigrants were in the U.S. illegally as of January 2022, although the figure is likely higher today. In the NBC News interview, Welker asked Trump if his plan was to deport everyone without legal status.

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So if you’re ok with it, maybe you can explain the logic behind protecting noncitizens who were brought here as children by undocumented parents, but deporting citizens who were born here to undocumented parents? Thanks in advance, because I can’t figure it out.
 
ZenMode said:
Not sure how I feel about birthright citizenship but,
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Save everyone the trouble and don't feel anything about it. Literally nobody cares. It is an unmistakable command of the 14th Amendment and if you don't like it, maybe your team shouldn't have seceded and then lost.
 
lawtig02 said:
So if you’re ok with it, maybe you can explain the logic behind protecting noncitizens who were brought here as children by undocumented parents, but deporting citizens who were born here to undocumented parents? Thanks in advance, because I can’t figure it out.
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I don't read that as deporting citizens who were born here when birthright citizenship was a policy. I read that as a "going forward" situation.
 
superrific said:
Save everyone the trouble and don't feel anything about it. Literally nobody cares. It is an unmistakable command of the 14th Amendment and if you don't like it, maybe your team shouldn't have seceded and then lost.
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Obviously, the Constitution can be changed, but I'm more talking about the policy and whether it still makes sense, kind of like Presidential pardon powers....does it make sense?
 
ZenMode said:
I don't read that as deporting citizens who were born here when birthright citizenship was a policy. I read that as a "going forward" situation.
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It's not a fucking "policy" that can be changed and made past tense. It's in the 14th Amendment, motherfucker.
 
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