Mass Deportation and Immigration Catch-All | Trump promotes “Gold Card” path to citizenship for $5 million

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HeelingAg said:
Yeah, but that was, like, a terrible deal. Because.
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The good news is the Democrats should have learned the lesson the hard way that working in good faith with Republicans is a losing proposition for them. The Dems gave away the whole damn farm and got nothing in return to get that bipartisan immigration bill- one that was the stuff of literal Republican wet dreams for three decades- ready to go to the floor for votes, and it *still* got tanked- despite being created by one of the most hard core Republican senators from one of the deepest reddest states- all because Trump didn’t want the bill passed in an election year.

Democrats should never again work with Republicans on that kind of stuff, at least not while Trump is still a thing, nor should they do anything legislatively to try to impede the implementation of Trumpian policy. The electorate wants Trumpism. Let’s give it to them.
 
nycfan said:
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“… As a first step, Trump’s advisers are discussing issuing a national emergency declaration at the border on his first day in office, which his team thinks would allow him to move money from the Pentagon to pay for wall construction and to assist with immigrant detention and deportation.

But the legality of such a move is unclear.

A national emergency, Trump’s advisers think, also would unlock the ability to use military bases for immigrant detention and military planes to help carry out deportations.

… A critical near-term priority is finding the money to pay for it. An estimate by the American Immigration Council, a liberal immigration group, estimated that an operation to deport the total number of people living in the U.S. illegally could cost $968 billion over more than a decade, or roughly $88 billion a year. …”

So, tariffs? 🤔
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$88 billion a year for the deportation costs would be a drop in the bucket compared to the GDP loss from mass deportations.
 
CFordUNC said:
The good news is the Democrats should have learned the lesson the hard way that working in good faith with Republicans is a losing proposition for them. The Dems gave away the whole damn farm and got nothing in return to get that bipartisan immigration bill- one that was the stuff of literal Republican wet dreams for three decades- ready to go to the floor for votes, and it *still* got tanked- despite being created by one of the most hard core Republican senators from one of the deepest reddest states- all because Trump didn’t want the bill passed in an election year.

Democrats should never again work with Republicans on that kind of stuff, at least not while Trump is still a thing, nor should they do anything legislatively to try to impede the implementation of Trumpian policy. The electorate wants Trumpism. Let’s give it to them.
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Democrats need to toughen up for sure when it comes to working with Republicans. I'm sick of Democrats trying to be "the adults in the room" and negotiate in good faith with Republicans and then just getting slapped in the face over and over again. Congressional Democrats, and the party leadership in general, badly needs to wake up, grow a spine, and just tell Republicans to go to hell when it comes to compromise bills. That's exactly how Republicans treat them, and they're not going to gain any votes by working with them. My fear is that Congressional Democrats are clueless and will continue to believe, against all evidence, that working with Republicans will somehow pay off down the road. They wanted complete control of the government, well, let them run things and solve them. Working with them hasn't gotten Democrats anywhere for at least the last 15 years.
 
CallMeTyler said:
Young people complaining about housing inventory and affordability will be shocked when housing construction plummets and home prices skyrocket.

For those young voters with dreams of home-ownership who took a chance on Trump, you'll live to regret it.
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You really are out of touch and are speaking like a true dummy…Its ton of White,Black.and Latina people that are legal that do these jobs…Man the left has no clue what is going on in this country with the real people…That’s the reason y’all lost this election…
 
Tar1978Heel said:
You really are out of touch and are speaking like a true dummy…Its ton of White,Black.and Latina people that are legal that do these jobs…Man the left has no clue what is going on in this country with the real people…That’s the reason y’all lost this election…
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Illegal immigrants make up 25% of the US construction workforce. Those are facts. Deportation of said workforce will send the housing market into a tailspin.
 
CallMeTyler said:
Illegal immigrants make up 25% of the US construction workforce. Those are facts. Deportation of said workforce will send the housing market into a tailspin.
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As someone posted recently, if you want to know how these mass deportations play out just look at what happened in Alabama in 2010. The Republican state government made an all-out crackdown on "illegals" and it was a disaster. Republican farmers were soon complaining that their crops were rotting in the fields because they couldn't get anyone to pick them, and shortly after that they were begging Alabama Republicans to back off, which they did.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
As someone posted recently, if you want to know how these mass deportations play out just look at what happened in Alabama in 2010. The Republican state government made an all-out crackdown on "illegals" and it was a disaster. Republican farmers were soon complaining that their crops were rotting in the fields because they couldn't get anyone to pick them, and shortly after that they were begging Alabama Republicans to back off, which they did.
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I’d love to empathize with folks who will struggle when the cost of goods increases but again, they asked for these policies.

Between labor shortages and tariffs, it should be a lot of fun.
 
Tar1978Heel said:
You really are out of touch and are speaking like a true dummy…Its ton of White,Black.and Latina people that are legal that do these jobs…Man the left has no clue what is going on in this country with the real people…That’s the reason y’all lost this election…
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And maybe you’re interested in educating yourself on this topic a bit more.

Definitely want to avoid those “dummy” labels.

www.constructiondive.com

A fifth of construction workers lack permanent legal status. Can the next president change that?

Illegal immigration has dominated the headlines during this election season, but building pros are calling for help to get skilled workers to jobsites.
www.constructiondive.com www.constructiondive.com

 
CallMeTyler said:
And maybe you’re interested in educating yourself on this topic a bit more.

Definitely want to avoid those “dummy” labels.

www.constructiondive.com

A fifth of construction workers lack permanent legal status. Can the next president change that?

Illegal immigration has dominated the headlines during this election season, but building pros are calling for help to get skilled workers to jobsites.
www.constructiondive.com www.constructiondive.com

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I don’t have to…I don’t go by news reports I work in the business…I know what is going on…
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
The thing that gets me is the animosity towards the educated elites. Plowing a field or even managing a farm budget are admirable endeavors but they don’t give you insight into how macroeconomics works. If you can’t bother to understand who pays tariffs, how are you expecting to understand the full economic consequences of those tariffs?

We used to admire and look up to people who are experts in their field. Not saying we all agreed with everything like those who pushed trickle down economics but in general the public had respect for education. There was always those who didn’t but they had no political sway.
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The problem comes when the educated elites have no humility or possess such arrogance that they try to tell you what is best for you rather than just educate or disseminate information.
 
Tar1978Heel said:
I don’t have to…I don’t go by news reports I work in the business…I know what is going on…
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Having some knowledge, either directly or tangentially, doesn’t grant you expertise. Choosing to ignore the research that examines the broader industry is exactly why we are here.

Are you suggesting illegals don’t comprise a quarter of the workforce? If so, how did you determine that statement was false?
 
CallMeTyler said:
I’d love to empathize with folks who will struggle when the cost of goods increases but again, they asked for these policies.

Between labor shortages and tariffs, it should be a lot of fun.
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Not me. I’m gonna openly laugh at them. They will be quite literally getting what they want. Hell, in some respects, I’ll be pissed if he *doesn’t* follow through. Trump didn’t even try to hide that his policies would be devastating economically for the middle and working classes- he simply had Elon Musk start the narrative that a little economic pain is a good thing! Paying higher prices at the pump, at the supermarket checkout, etc. will be a minor annoyance/inconvenience for me, and certainly well worth the hard lesson in economics that many voters are about to learn.
 
CFordUNC said:
Not me. I’m gonna openly laugh at them. They will be quite literally getting what they want. Hell, in some respects, I’ll be pissed if he *doesn’t* follow through. Trump didn’t even try to hide that his policies would be devastating economically for the middle and working classes- he simply had Elon Musk start the narrative that a little economic pain is a good thing! Paying higher prices at the pump, at the supermarket checkout, etc. will be a minor annoyance/inconvenience for me, and certainly well worth the hard lesson in economics that many voters are about to learn.
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You do realize this can be done without incurring labor shortages or creating inflation right?
 
Tar1978Heel said:
You really are out of touch and are speaking like a true dummy…Its ton of White,Black.and Latina people that are legal that do these jobs…Man the left has no clue what is going on in this country with the real people…That’s the reason y’all lost this election…Quick google search says there are about 8,000,000 immigrants currently in our labor force.
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Quick google search says there are about 8,000,000 immigrants currently in our labor force.
 
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CFordUNC said:
Not me. I’m gonna openly laugh at them. They will be quite literally getting what they want. Hell, in some respects, I’ll be pissed if he *doesn’t* follow through. Trump didn’t even try to hide that his policies would be devastating economically for the middle and working classes- he simply had Elon Musk start the narrative that a little economic pain is a good thing! Paying higher prices at the pump, at the supermarket checkout, etc. will be a minor annoyance/inconvenience for me, and certainly well worth the hard lesson in economics that many voters are about to learn.
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ChapelHillSooner said:
Also, 45% of all agricultural workers are undocumented.

cmsny.org

A Profile of Undocumented Agricultural Workers in the United States - The Center for Migration Studies of New York (CMS)

Agricultural workers in the United States not only support the US economy but are also responsible for keeping people across the country and the globe fed.
cmsny.org cmsny.org

1978 had completely made an ass of himself here.
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MAGA have no idea what mass deportation will do to our economy. They are blindingly naive.
 
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