Mass Deportation - Planning underway— Tom Homan to be “Border Czar”

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America’s food-supply chain relies on a predominantly immigrant workforce for some of its most challenging jobs, such as picking fruit, applying pesticides on crops, operating machinery and slaughtering livestock. About two-thirds of U.S. crop-farm workers are foreign-born, and 42% aren’t legally authorized to work in the country, according to a Labor Department report.

Agriculture trade groups are lobbying the incoming administration for the expanded use of temporary work visas. Some farms and meatpackers are forging deeper ties with recruiters who can ensure a steady labor supply.

… During the first Trump administration, the plants were a target for immigration officials, who led raids of pork facilities in Ohio and a Mississippi plantowned by large poultry producer Koch Foods. In an interview with a New York television station earlier this month, Homan said he expects raids of meatpacking plants and other workplaces to occur again.

Desperate for labor in the Covid-19 pandemic’s wake, meat processors hired migrants from Haiti and other countries who could legally work in the U.S. under the Temporary Protected Status program, according to industry officials. Executives worry that, if Trump ends the program, it could jeopardize the legal status of the people working in their plants. …”
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Exactly right. Think about the level of inflation on the American consumer when Tariffs and disruption of the supply chain by idiotic deportations are implemented.
 
nycfan said:


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America’s food-supply chain relies on a predominantly immigrant workforce for some of its most challenging jobs, such as picking fruit, applying pesticides on crops, operating machinery and slaughtering livestock. About two-thirds of U.S. crop-farm workers are foreign-born, and 42% aren’t legally authorized to work in the country, according to a Labor Department report.

Agriculture trade groups are lobbying the incoming administration for the expanded use of temporary work visas. Some farms and meatpackers are forging deeper ties with recruiters who can ensure a steady labor supply.

… During the first Trump administration, the plants were a target for immigration officials, who led raids of pork facilities in Ohio and a Mississippi plantowned by large poultry producer Koch Foods. In an interview with a New York television station earlier this month, Homan said he expects raids of meatpacking plants and other workplaces to occur again.

Desperate for labor in the Covid-19 pandemic’s wake, meat processors hired migrants from Haiti and other countries who could legally work in the U.S. under the Temporary Protected Status program, according to industry officials. Executives worry that, if Trump ends the program, it could jeopardize the legal status of the people working in their plants. …”
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No shit. This is what many people have been saying for years and years will happen if you eliminate immigrant labor nationwide. And while it has been brought up here many times, it's worth repeating that the GOP-controlled Alabama state government already tried doing this in 2010 and it was such a disaster that the state's farmers - many of whom were Republicans - ended up begging the state government to back off, as their crops were literally rotting in the fields and they couldn't find enough workers to pick them. I believe another state ended up using prison labor to pick the crops, but that didn't come close to solving the problem either. I've already seen posts from Trumpers about this claiming that there will be more than enough US workers who will be willing to replace immigrants doing this. I think they're deluded and are going to be very sadly mistaken.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
No shit. This is what many people have been saying for years and years will happen if you eliminate immigrant labor nationwide. And while it has been brought up here many times, it's worth repeating that the GOP-controlled Alabama state government already tried doing this in 2010 and it was such a disaster that the state's farmers - many of whom were Republicans - ended up begging the state government to back off, as their crops were literally rotting in the fields and they couldn't find enough workers to pick them. I believe another state ended up using prison labor to pick the crops, but that didn't come close to solving the problem either. I've already seen posts from Trumpers about this claiming that there will be more than enough US workers who will be willing to replace immigrants doing this. I think they're deluded and are going to be very sadly mistaken.
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I know two guys that worked in meat packing plants
Cause they were prisoners in the NC Correctional system You have gloves-but your arms are stuck in 35 degree water as you cut and slice constantly.I seriously think they build on at least 1 carpel tunnel surgey per employee every couple years
 
superrific said:
Trump is such a fucking idiot. He is so easily played.
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He is about the performance — “reality” tv governance by pretense (and straight up disinformation as suits). He has already shown he will misrepresent his calls with foreign leaders and sort of dare them to correct the record, so who knows what was actually discussed and agreed.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
I've already seen posts from Trumpers about this claiming that there will be more than enough US workers who will be willing to replace immigrants doing this. I think they're deluded and are going to be very sadly mistaken.
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Oh that’s hilarious. Plenty of farms have tried getting non-migrant labor and paying decent wages, but nobody wants to do it.

I remember one particular case where they had lined up a bunch of US workers to come pick crops for like $15 an hour. Only a couple of people who were hired showed up, and of those only one came back the next day, but he didn’t come back again after that.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
No shit. This is what many people have been saying for years and years will happen if you eliminate immigrant labor nationwide. And while it has been brought up here many times, it's worth repeating that the GOP-controlled Alabama state government already tried doing this in 2010 and it was such a disaster that the state's farmers - many of whom were Republicans - ended up begging the state government to back off, as their crops were literally rotting in the fields and they couldn't find enough workers to pick them. I believe another state ended up using prison labor to pick the crops, but that didn't come close to solving the problem either. I've already seen posts from Trumpers about this claiming that there will be more than enough US workers who will be willing to replace immigrants doing this. I think they're deluded and are going to be very sadly mistaken.
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OGtruthhurts is absolutely convinced Americans will be lining up for these jobs once they become available.
 
mpaer said:
I know two guys that worked in meat packing plants
Cause they were prisoners in the NC Correctional system You have gloves-but your arms are stuck in 35 degree water as you cut and slice constantly.I seriously think they build on at least 1 carpel tunnel surgey per employee every couple years
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I'm a big fan of using prison labor to pick crops, meat packing, etc. Paying them the going rate, taking the money and putting it in a fund to support their burden to the state, pay restitution where applicable, and investing it for them so that when they get out they actually have something to begin a new life with rather than giving them $200 and a bus ticket (if that type of thing is done anymore)
 
Callatoroy said:
I'm a big fan of using prison labor to pick crops, meat packing, etc. Paying them the going rate, taking the money and putting it in a fund to support their burden to the state, pay restitution where applicable, and investing it for them so that when they get out they actually have something to begin a new life with rather than giving them $200 and a bus ticket (if that type of thing is done anymore)
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Indentured servitude, if you will?
 
Callatoroy said:
I'm a big fan of using prison labor to pick crops, meat packing, etc. Paying them the going rate, taking the money and putting it in a fund to support their burden to the state, pay restitution where applicable, and investing it for them so that when they get out they actually have something to begin a new life with rather than giving them $200 and a bus ticket (if that type of thing is done anymore)
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I picture the grift and graft shown in Shawshank Redemption as exemplified by the warden. Or, worse, the road, lumber, farm, and mining crews, particularly in the South, between the Civil War and WWII.
 
Zoo_View said:
I picture the grift and graft shown in Shawshank Redemption as exemplified by the warden. Or, worse, the road, lumber, farm, and mining crews, particularly in the South, between the Civil War and WWII.
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Now, surely you're not suggesting that the state might abuse its power if allowed to profit from imprisoning Americans?

It's quite something, really. The folks like Calla who claim to really have it out for China are the ones who favor the policies of the Chinese government and want to pursue them here.
 
superrific said:
Of course you are. You're also oblivious to the implications of that.
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LOL, you are nothing if not so damn predictable. You don't know what anyone knows on here. I do have experience in working with a customer who, in conjunction with that state's prison system operates a portion of their business using prison labor. The prisoners are paid exactly what the non-prisoners are paid. The prisoner's wages are handled exactly as I stated. The competition to get those jobs within the prison is pretty high. The customer says that they hardly ever experience people not showing up for work because the alternative is to sit in a cell. They don't have productivity issues because there are incentives built into the system so that working harder yields higher pay. And when they leave prison they actually have a marketable skill. The recidivism rate from that prison was 13% vs. the mid 40% range for the state's other prisons.
 
nycfan said:
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Trump and Mexican president say they had a good call – though no sign of backing down on tariff pledge | CNN Politics

President-elect Donald Trump said Wednesday that he had a “productive conversation” with Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum, their first talks since Trump announced tariffs against the US’ southern neighbor.
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Mexico’s president denies Trump’s claim that she agreed to shut down the US-Mexico border​


“Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum denied proposing to US President-elect Donald Trump that Mexico will close its border with the United States as he claimed in a post on Truth Social.

“Everyone has their own way of communicating, but I can assure you, I give you the certainty that we would never — and we would be incapable of it — propose that we would close the border,” Sheinbaum said during her regular morning news conference Thursday.

“It has never been our approach and of course we don’t agree with that.”

…In her own statement about the conversation, Sheinbaum said she shared Mexico’s immigration strategy with the president-elect and stressed that her country’s “position is not to close borders.”

“In our conversation with President Trump, I explained to him the comprehensive strategy that Mexico has followed to address the migration phenomenon, respecting human rights,” Sheinbaum said Wednesday on X. Thanks to this, migrants and caravans are assisted before they arrive at the border. We reiterate that Mexico’s position is not to close borders but to build bridges between governments and between peoples.”

Sheinbaum had previously said that Mexico has worked with the Biden administration to address the flow of migrants through the country, leading to a 75% reduction in US border crossings over the past year.

And after the call with Trump on Wednesday, she did not outline any new policies she planned to put in place in order to avoid tariffs, focusing instead on how her country had already acted to address the crisis. …”

 
Callatoroy said:
LOL, you are nothing if not so damn predictable. You don't know what anyone knows on here. I do have experience in working with a customer who, in conjunction with that state's prison system operates a portion of their business using prison labor. The prisoners are paid exactly what the non-prisoners are paid. The prisoner's wages are handled exactly as I stated. The competition to get those jobs within the prison is pretty high. The customer says that they hardly ever experience people not showing up for work because the alternative is to sit in a cell. They don't have productivity issues because there are incentives built into the system so that working harder yields higher pay. And when they leave prison they actually have a marketable skill. The recidivism rate from that prison was 13% vs. the mid 40% range for the state's other prisons.
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See, here's the thing about being a bullshitter. You don't know what gives you away. It's like in Inglorious Basterds, when Hicox puts up three fingers. Everyone in the room knew who he was, while he was sitting there thinking that he was nailing it.

Here, the three fingers is your claim about productivity issues. Are you REALLY under the impression that "productivity issues" go away because of performance incentives is comical. In your world, I guess, the millions of employers who would like better productivity from their workers are fucking idiots. Why didn't they just think of using incentives? Genius! LOL. Fucking rube.

Anyway, there are also numerous problems with the other claims you've made. The program you are describing exists nowhere in the US. Maybe you're thinking of a limited work release/training program that solicits participation from inmates near the end of their terms -- which is not a general system of prison labor and definitely isn't going to provide ag labor to replace immigrants.

But the three fingers is the ridiculous claim about productivity. That, and the idea that you can compare recidivism rates between prisons. States generally don't collect data like that, and if they do, they tend not to release it -- because it doesn't really make any sense. But sure, carry on.
 
Callatoroy said:
LOL, you are nothing if not so damn predictable. You don't know what anyone knows on here. I do have experience in working with a customer who, in conjunction with that state's prison system operates a portion of their business using prison labor. The prisoners are paid exactly what the non-prisoners are paid. The prisoner's wages are handled exactly as I stated. The competition to get those jobs within the prison is pretty high. The customer says that they hardly ever experience people not showing up for work because the alternative is to sit in a cell. They don't have productivity issues because there are incentives built into the system so that working harder yields higher pay. And when they leave prison they actually have a marketable skill. The recidivism rate from that prison was 13% vs. the mid 40% range for the state's other prisons.
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I'd like to learn more about this program. Which prison are you referring to?
 
I worked on a case for an inmate a couple of years ago who participated in an in-prison work program. She and some of her coworkers were repeatedly raped by their civilian supervisor. So yeah, color me skeptical about the integrity of such programs.
 
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