Mass Shooting & Gun Violence | Austin (possible terrorism?) & Cincinnati

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sringwal said:
What the fuck is wrong with you? This obsession you have with trans people isn’t healthy, man. I don’t know what caused it, but you need to really reflect on life.
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But it was another trans person. Obsession or not it's the reality of this situation. Mental health treatment or even understanding mental health sucks in this world.
 
Maybe it wasn’t a great idea to inject hormones into or to perform genital removal surgery for mentally ill teens.
 

Pawtucket shooter’s gender identity tied to past family disputes, court records show​

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Pawtucket shooter’s gender identity tied to past family disputes, court records show

The shooter told police in 2020 he’d recently undergone gender-reassignment surgery, which became a family issue.
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“The suspect in a Pawtucket shooting that left two people dead and three others injured Monday had a history of family disputes, some involving conflict over his gender identity, according to court records.

… At a late-night news conference, Pawtucket Police Chief Tina Goncalves said Dorgan also went by the name “Roberta,” and court documents show his gender identity played a role in multiple family disputes over recent years.

… Around the same time [early 2020], Dorgan’s then-wife Rhonda Dorgan filed for divorce. Under grounds for divorce, Rhonda initially wrote, “gender reassignment surgery, narcissistic + personality disorder traits.” Those reasons were then crossed out and replaced with “irreconcilable differences which have caused the immediate breakdown of the marriage.”

The divorce was finalized in June 2021, court records show.…”

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Sounds like the dude had a history of mental health issues, after gender reassignment surgery he made multiple complaints of relatives (including his mother and his father-in-law threatening to kill him). The police have made several references to domestic violence, which could just allude to the shooting but they seem to imply a history in this case.
 
takingAdookie said:
But it was another trans person. Obsession or not it's the reality of this situation. Mental health treatment or even understanding mental health sucks in this world.
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Sure. And in a vacuum, pointing out that the shooter was trans is fair. I will wholly admit that I am concerned about the increase in mass shooting violence by members of the trans community, but for vastly different reasons than Rams is. But it is the only defining characteristics of the person that Rams ever focuses on, and he has jumped to that conclusion and been wrong multiple times.

There is, ultimately, a difference between a shooter being trans, and what Ram said, which is that the shooter committed the act of violence because they were trans. Phrasing it the way Ram did unfairly lumps non-violent trans people in with ones who commit acts of violence, leads to stereotyping, and ultimately, can lead to unjust laws.

Imagine if, you will, if he had written "jew," or "muslim," or "black," or "white," in response to the question "who the hell shoots up a hockey game," rather than "trans."

Regardless, you are 100% correct that mental health treatment/understanding mental health really sucks right now. I just don't think that the rhetoric of people like rams does anything but cause more unhealthy division. Admittedly, the way I responded doesn't help either.
 
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heel79 said:
This guy was 56? I don't know why but did not expect that. I know most mass shooters are white men but is there an age factor?
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That would definitely be on the older scale. The average is late 20s to early 30s and the trend is moving younger. There have been a few septuagenarian and octogenarian mass shooters but they are very rare.
 
Maybe the shooting in Canada triggered/inspired the shooter in Rhode Island.

The Canadian kid had a history of mental illness and threats against family prior to and then continuing after announcing gender transition.

A healthy society would be able to have a complex view about several recent cases suggesting disproportionate representation of transgender individuals in mass violent attacks and the extent to which violently mentally ill individuals might be drawn to gender transition (or such feelings might be destabilizing psychologically and lead to violent ideation) for reasons arising from underlying mental health issues, while also acknowledging they are a fraction of the already small number of people who are not violent or threatening but seek recognition/tolerance of their own gender fluidity and/or seek gender transition.

In the Rhode Island case, the shooter apparently had a fairly extensive online history of being a vocal Trump/MAGA supporter, so the shooter was apparently consumed with deeply contradictory behaviors and opinions.

Unfortunately literally every mass shooting now is immediately followed by online lunatics insisting the shooter was trans. Every one. Maybe that in itself has had a negative impact on violently mentally ill people, creating an association between gender transition and violent mass murder that didn’t previously exist. There is a well established history of serial and mass murderers taking inspiration from and emulating prior killers. Sick online culture of hatred toward trans people may have created an additional murderous ideation that incorporates a warped view of trans people. It’s a notion that has permeated pop culture for decades, with one case (Ed Gein) feeding a long line of gender confused fictional murderers (Norman Bates, Leatherface and Buffalo Bill most famously).

Whatever the case, It is repulsive how transphobia people will exploit one trait over all others to promote hatred toward and further isolate and torment the vast majority of transgender people who are not violent or a threat to anyone (perhaps other than themselves at a very high rate). But it would also be irrational to ignore a recent series of actual or attempted mass violence by people who were or claimed to be trans without having society examine whether there is a behavioral trend or a coincidence of timing.

Same could be said for the disproportionate representation of white biological men as the perpetrators of such attacks and perhaps the over representation of political extremism among such violent actors.

We’ve chosen or conceded to living in a country with more guns than people, so we know that violently mentally ill people have easy access to weapons that enhance violent ideation and make mass killings easier. As a matter of self-defense if not basic societal decency we have to rationally examine any and all contributing factors to such violent behaviors.
 
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