Mass Shooting & Gun Violence

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SnoopRob said:
I think it’s another area where you have an urban/rural divide. In urban areas, you likely have police groups who would support greater gun control while those in rural areas would be against it. And since there are far more rural sheriff’s departments & small town PDs than urban PDs, the rural groups set the overall agenda.
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Also, A LOT of urban LEO’s do not live in an urban area.

A small majority of NYC police officers live outside of NYC - in Nassau and Suffolk Counties (Long Island), Rockland (north of NJ on the west side of the Hudson River) and Orange County (north and west of Rockland) and Westchester and Putnam Counties (north of NYC between the Hudson and Connecticut.

The officers who live in NYC likely live in Staten Island (not urban) and the Archie Bunker-esque parts of the Bronx, Queens, and Brooklyn.
 
I know a lot of cops. I'd wager 100% of the ones I know are very pro-2A, mostly because they know that the bad guys already have guns and that people having an emergency often have to wait for a good minute for help to arrive once they call 911. Law enforcement is short-staffed pretty much from coast to coast.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
I know a lot of cops. I'd wager 100% of the ones I know are very pro-2A, mostly because they know that the bad guys already have guns and that people having an emergency often have to wait for a good minute for help to arrive once they call 911. Law enforcement is short-staffed pretty much from coast to coast.
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Why do you think Law Enforcement is short-staffed?
 
ZZLPHeels said:
I know a lot of cops. I'd wager 100% of the ones I know are very pro-2A, mostly because they know that the bad guys already have guns and that people having an emergency often have to wait for a good minute for help to arrive once they call 911. Law enforcement is short-staffed pretty much from coast to coast.
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I know several and I’d wager most are fine with people having firearms for recreational shooting, hunting, protecting their homes, but everyone of them I’ve talked to about constitutional carry or even shall issue CCW are strongly against it. Granted that’s only like 4-5, but they uniformly draw a distinction between guns in your home and guns on your person for every Tom Dick and Harry on the street.
 
donbosco said:
Why do you think Law Enforcement is short-staffed?
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A good part of it is due to anti-police sentiment that was pervasive for the last decade. People just don’t want to deal with that crap every day at work and I don’t blame them.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
I know several and I’d wager most are fine with people having firearms for recreational shooting, hunting, protecting their homes, but everyone of them I’ve talked to about constitutional carry or even shall issue CCW are strongly against it. Granted that’s only like 4-5, but they uniformly draw a distinction between guns in your home and guns on your person for every Tom Dick and Harry on the street.
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Yup I have had a similar experience in my conversations with LE. I should have elaborated a bit further. Most of the cops I know are completely against allowing everyone to concealed carry. They used to be able to put bad guys in jail for carrying illegally and now that power is gone.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
A good part of it is due to anti-police sentiment that was pervasive for the last decade. People just don’t want to deal with that crap every day at work and I don’t blame them.
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Police play a large role in anti police sentiment. Im 47 and in my lifetime police officers have largely gone from being mostly outgoing, smiling, and helpful members of a larger society to overarmed and downright scary militia impersonators who act as if everyone around them is a threat.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Police play a large role in anti police sentiment. Im 47 and in my lifetime police officers have largely gone from being mostly outgoing, smiling, and helpful members of a larger society to overarmed and downright scary militia impersonators who act as if everyone around them is a threat.
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It's a feedback loop, right? The more fuckup officers there are, the greater the community resentment. The greater the community resentment, the less those smiling cops want to be cops. So the police ends up attracting people who want that career for the wrong reasons. And then there's more resentment, and so on.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Police play a large role in anti police sentiment. Im 47 and in my lifetime police officers have largely gone from being mostly outgoing, smiling, and helpful members of a larger society to overarmed and downright scary militia impersonators who act as if everyone around them is a threat.
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Everyone around them can be a threat. That’s the world we live in. Two beat cops in small town Michigan got in a shootout with a well armed terrorist who took out a church just a couple of days ago. Every cop needs to be prepared for that possibility because it can happen anywhere.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
A good part of it is due to anti-police sentiment that was pervasive for the last decade. People just don’t want to deal with that crap every day at work and I don’t blame them.
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You think anti-police sentiment has increased "for the last decade?"
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Lies about police encounters pushed by the media and very influential people, mostly.
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Such predictable bullshit. Ever heard of Abner Louima? Amadou Diallo? Stop and frisk? Some people live the brunt of shitty, confrontational, violent and retributive policing every day. I guess you're lucky you don't have to deal with it, for some reason one can only guess at.

That you are friends with cops doesn't mean they are good people. That's not a comment on you; that's a comment that we tend to think highly of our acquaintances even when they don't deserve it.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Everyone around them can be a threat. That’s the world we live in. Two beat cops in small town Michigan got in a shootout with a well armed terrorist who took out a church just a couple of days ago. Every cop needs to be prepared for that possibility because it can happen anywhere.
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Are you talking about the Grand Blanc shooting?
 
superrific said:
Such predictable bullshit. Ever heard of Abner Louima? Amadou Diallo? Stop and frisk? Some people live the brunt of shitty, confrontational, violent and retributive policing every day. I guess you're lucky you don't have to deal with it, for some reason one can only guess at.

That you are friends with cops doesn't mean they are good people. That's not a comment on you; that's a comment that we tend to think highly of our acquaintances even when they don't deserve it.
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There absolutely have been instances of police brutality that deserved to be called out and addressed. That is unquestionably true. There have also been high profile stories of police “brutality” that have been completely fabricated in order to push anti-police sentiment. These falsehoods have resulted in riots and deaths and have led many officers to leave the profession.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Police play a large role in anti police sentiment. Im 47 and in my lifetime police officers have largely gone from being mostly outgoing, smiling, and helpful members of a larger society to overarmed and downright scary militia impersonators who act as if everyone around them is a threat.
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That and when there is a true abuse of power the police unions almost always rally around the officers and internal investigations usually come up with nothing no matter how egregious the act was.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
There absolutely have been instances of police brutality that deserved to be called out and addressed. That is unquestionably true. There have also been high profile stories of police brutality “brutality” that have been completely fabricated in order to push anti-police sentiment. These falsehoods have resulted in riots and deaths and have led many officers to leave the profession.
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And that is where holding the bad cops accountable is important. When that isn't done trust is broken and that distrust is what gets us to a point where people believe the fabricated stories.
 
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