Matt Gaetz Catch-All | Ethics report released

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PandemicBlue said:
Just like you would have supported Biden had he continued to run after colluding with his son (who is guilty of the exact same things) to bring in millions to the Biden Crime Family.

There is no real standard of conduct demanded equally of all the people elected to represent us regardless of party. There are just standards for the opposing party and ignored standards for one's own party.

The problem doesn't just lie with these corrupt politicians. It equally lies with the voters who choose to ignore the transgressions of politicians they support while coming out with pitchforks for the ones they don't.

I guess you could not vote but then you might end up helping not only corrupt politicians but corrupt politicians who happen to have policies that screw up your life as well. I guess we'll all end up with what we are willing to accept. Who knows?

Anyway, Merry Christmas.
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Good to see you back Pandemic ! Where you been ?

You have had an epiphany ... You were once a die hard MAGA/Qanon Trumper and now you have progressed to be a bosider :)
 
superrific said:
all right but this biden crime family shit really pisses me off. it is so old, so stale and so irrelevant but we're going to be hearing about it for a decade.
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True dat. MAGA-land still wants to lock Hillary Clinton up, even though the e-mail server stuff was 8 years ago, and she's no longer politically relevant. MAGA is all about hate and fear.
 
OGtruthhurts said:
What have you done to care? Vote Democratic? Lmao

Nice try. If you have voted for either party then YOU have enabled it. Theres over 12k leech lobbyists in DC. What has your party done to eliminate them? Cute that you want to blame others, esp those like myself who dont vote. Youve been conditioned and trained to vote for corruption.....congrats on the self righteousness.
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This is just such a perfect illustration of the dangers of "bothsidesism" and how it leads us to the exact point we're at in terms of people becoming apathetic and checking out from politics. I'm absolutely not holding myself up as somehow being part of the solution but the idea that people who don't vote somehow have "cleaner hands" and are less responsible for the mess is silly. You don't wash your hands of responsibility for our government by simply refusing to participate in choosing who runs it.

You think lobbyists and grift and political corruption are bad? So do I, and neither party is innocent. But I've voted for the party who has generally tried to enact campaign finance reform, ethics reform, etc, not the party opposing it and rolling it back. if you're not voting, what are you doing to solve the problem?
 
rodoheel said:
This is just such a perfect illustration of the dangers of "bothsidesism" and how it leads us to the exact point we're at in terms of people becoming apathetic and checking out from politics. I'm absolutely not holding myself up as somehow being part of the solution but the idea that people who don't vote somehow have "cleaner hands" and are less responsible for the mess is silly. You don't wash your hands of responsibility for our government by simply refusing to participate in choosing who runs it.

You think lobbyists and grift and political corruption are bad? So do I, and neither party is innocent. But I've voted for the party who has generally tried to enact campaign finance reform, ethics reform, etc, not the party opposing it and rolling it back. if you're not voting, what are you doing to solve the problem?
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What, complaining about it on a message board isn’t good enough?
 
PandemicBlue said:
Just like you would have supported Biden had he continued to run after colluding with his son (who is guilty of the exact same things) to bring in millions to the Biden Crime Family.
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This would make total sense except for the fact that (1) it's mostly made up, and (2) none of us ever voted for Hunter Biden anyway. But I know it makes you feel better to tell yourself that "the other side is just as bad" so feel free to continue in your delusion.
 
PandemicBlue said:
Just like you would have supported Biden had he continued to run after colluding with his son (who is guilty of the exact same things) to bring in millions to the Biden Crime Family.

There is no real standard of conduct demanded equally of all the people elected to represent us regardless of party. There are just standards for the opposing party and ignored standards for one's own party.

The problem doesn't just lie with these corrupt politicians. It equally lies with the voters who choose to ignore the transgressions of politicians they support while coming out with pitchforks for the ones they don't.

I guess you could not vote but then you might end up helping not only corrupt politicians but corrupt politicians who happen to have policies that screw up your life as well. I guess we'll all end up with what we are willing to accept. Who knows?

Anyway, Merry Christmas.
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Actually, I am a lifelong Republican, but never voted for the fraud con man and self serving criminal Donald J Trump. I also recently said on this board that it was wrong for Biden to pardon his son. I am also certain that Hunter holds no public office and I am pretty sure Trump did not nominate him for AG.

NOW, after your projection, what is your excuse for supporting a convicted felon with a history of nefarious dealings of fraud, charity theft, accounting fraud at Trump Org, fraud at Trump University, and attempts to overthrow an election?

By the way, where is all that proof of Joe Biden's illegal activity that Comer Pyle spent months and months on, with no intention of ever even trying a vote on impeachment?

Crickets or conspiracy theories after that MAGAt projection?
 
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It is a picture of Dookie V in a dookie cheerleader uniform. Someone here, or on the old ZZLP, claimed to be the one to photoshop it.
 
rodoheel said:
What's funny is that people like you saying "no one cares" is exactly what has enabled stuff like this - ignoring all kinds of despicable conduct from elected officials on the supposed basis that "everyone in DC does it"
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I would tweak the quote you replied to to say that it feels like half the country doesn't care, which continues to be extremely disheartening.
 
Bobfripp said:
True dat. MAGA-land still wants to lock Hillary Clinton up, even though the e-mail server stuff was 8 years ago, and she's no longer politically relevant. MAGA is all about hate and fear.
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And petty vindictiveness. It doesn't matter how long a perceived enemy has been retired and/or out of the public eye, they still gin up hate against them and want them to suffer or be jailed. They're still going after Dr. Fauci years after the pandemic has ended. They're still trying to destroy Obamacare years after he's left office - hell, they're still railing against FDR and the New Deal. It literally never ends with them.
 
heathercoxrichardson.substack.com

December 23, 2024

Today the House Ethics Committee released its report on its investigation of widely reported allegations that while in office, former representative Matt Gaetz (R-FL) had engaged in sexual misconduct and illicit drug use, shared inappropriate videos on the House floor, misused state records...
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Over the past thirty years, Republicans appear to have come to believe that nothing is more important than making sure Republicans control the government. Less competition has given rise to states like Florida that are essentially controlled by the Republicans. This, in turn, means there is very little oversight of the party’s lawmakers, making obviously problematic candidates able to survive far longer than they would if there were opposition to highlight poor behavior.

It also means that party members appear willing to overlook deeply problematic behavior in their own lawmakers, who come to feel immune, while attacking Democrats for what Republicans claim is the same behavior. Notably, in February of this year, in a closed hearing before the House Oversight Committee, Gaetz badgered President Biden’s son Hunter over his drug use. Hunter Biden responded that he had been “absolutely transparent” about his drug use and asked: “What does that have to do with whether or not you're going to go forward with an impeachment of my father other than to simply try to embarrass me?”

The answer is that while the drug use of private citizen Hunter Biden did not affect the U.S. government, the drug use of congressmember Matt Gaetz did. In a healthy political system, political opposition would have called out his behavior long before he was tapped to become one of the most important figures in the government.
 
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