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superrific said:
I don't want to talk about it enough to listen to the podcast. How about this? I'm tired of people, not necessarily Rick Perlstein, shitting on the Dems as if they are somehow responsible for virulent racism and ugliness pouring out of GOP sewers. The Dems have a really fucking hard job and for the most part they do it well. All these people sitting around, talking about how inept the Dems are -- I mean, we get that on this board too. I get the frustration, but calling the Dems inept or dysfunctional or feckless or clueless bothers me.

Dems have been fighting an uphill battle against
a) a ridiculous EC and Senate system that has become broken to the point of comedy because of rank partisanship;
b) a radical extremist Supreme Court;
c) gerrymandering, that has pushed the GOP to ridiculous extremes;
d) a campaign finance system that is both necessary to participate in, and unseemly and distorting;
e) Fox News and other conservative propaganda;
and f) Netanyahu openly trying to help Trump by waging war.

That's a lot of fucking obstacles, and it's not close to exhaustive.
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I already said Perlstein isn’t arguing that Dems are responsible for the Republican’s turn to authoritarianism. In the time you’ve spent typing out these posts, you could’ve easily listened to the podcast or read his Infernal Triangle articles in TAP.

I don’t want to argue about the content of the podcast. I was posting it for people who were interested in it, not people who don’t listen to podcasts and just want to argue about what they think Perlstein might be saying.
 
Paine said:
I already said Perlstein isn’t arguing that Dems are responsible for the Republican’s turn to authoritarianism. In the time you’ve spent typing out these posts, you could’ve easily listened to the podcast or read his Infernal Triangle articles in TAP.

I don’t want to argue about the content of the podcast. I was posting it for people who were interested in it, not people who don’t listen to podcasts and just want to argue about what they think Perlstein might be saying.
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These posts have taken me 10 minutes to type and I can listen to other things in the background. Do you agree with my assessment above about people, not necessarily Rick Perlstein, who talk shit about the Dems?
 
aGDevil2k said:
He is? Log Cabin?
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No idea. My brother used to work at Apple and said that Cook's politics were a source of consternation for a lot of people. And back in 2016, he was raising a lot of money for Paul Ryan.


However, a little bit of reading tells me that Cook is not MAGA and is probably something of a never-Trumper. Might not be GOP any more. He raised money for HRC later that same cycle. I'm almost positive Cook was a Republican during the Obama administration.
 
superrific said:
These posts have taken me 10 minutes to type and I can listen to other things in the background. Do you agree with my assessment above about people, not necessarily Rick Perlstein, who talk shit about the Dems?
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No, I think talking shit about the Dems is completely fair game, and you’re not going to convince me otherwise.
 
Paine said:
I don’t care who you talk shit about dude.

It’s blinkered to act like the Democratic Party is above criticism.
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Sure but not nearly as blinkered as to put more blame on them than the Republicans or probably even the media. They've always claimed to be the watch dogs for America. If they hadn't acted like whipped puppies, things would have been different.

What of those criticisms can be fixed when you can't count on getting your message out?
 
finesse said:
Sure but not nearly as blinkered as to put more blame on them than the Republicans or probably even the media. They've always claimed to be the watch dogs for America. If they hadn't acted like whipped puppies, things would have been different.

What of those criticisms can be fixed when you can't count on getting your message out?
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Did I ever say they deserve more blame?
 
Paine said:
Did I ever say they deserve more blame?
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No exactly but apparently I didn't understand that addressing problems that probably couldn't be fixed until more important ones were was worth focusing on right now. Fix them in order of importance and see how many of the lesser ones are symptoms.
 
finesse said:
No exactly but apparently I didn't understand that addressing problems that probably couldn't be fixed until more important ones were was worth focusing on right now. Fix them in order of importance and see how many of the lesser ones are symptoms.
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There are some immediate problems that can or could’ve been fixed that haven’t. Of course the structural issues are there and are going to be there.
 
Paine said:
I don’t care who you talk shit about dude.

It’s blinkered to act like the Democratic Party is above criticism.
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I was only asking the question b/c you seemed to take such umbrage at criticisms (not by me) that "the progressives" cost Hillary the election in 2016. I was just wondering that since you seem to be receptive/interested/whatever in promoting a podcast that depicts the democratic party as one feckless point in an infernal triangle, what (if any) criticisms would you accept or level yourself at the progressive wing of that party. It also seems a little bit disingenuous, in light of the language of feckless and infernal, to then act like this is merely pointing out that the democratic party isn't perfect. Feckless and infernal are a far cry for "isn't perfect." Don't throw out feckless and infernal and then act all "oh shucks" like all you were saying was just "isn't perfect"...
 
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@Paine, do you have anything written from Perlstein that summarizes his issues with the Democratic Party? Something that one could read in 15 or so minutes or less?

Thanks.
 
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