Mental Health & The Election

[finesse]

There are no dispensaries in my part of the world. I buy online and they bring it to my door. Since the THCA bud comes with a form letter from the secretary of state certifying that this was grown to their standards and met all the conditions of the Farm Bill of 2018. That's a hell of a lot better provenance that anything I got for most of the first 45 years I smoked.

 

[superrific]

That's a hell of a lot better provenance that anything I got for most of the first 45 years I smoked.

Yeah but 45 years ago they weren't cutting with fentanyl. I don't have any idea why someone would cut with Strychnine but that ain't in the same ballpark of danger as the synthetic opiates.

 

[UNCatTech]

He started out with controlled. But then he developed an addiction.

And I'm not saying it's perfect. There are risk. Unfortunately he had people who were more interested in money than his well being.

 

[Ddseddse]

Meh...

Man, I’m starting to think I’ve missed out! I’m approaching mid 30s and to this day in my life I have never taken a single drug, not even marijuana or nicotine, not one time. Y’all are giving me some FOMO

Meh... I've tried most all of them and it's my opinion that you are not missing out.

My advice from a self medication standpoint is, first of all, IF IT'S NOT BROKE, DON'T FIX IT!

My second piece of advise it if you are taking recurring dosages regularly, you are at very best, treating a symptom, not a root cause. My advice is the get a handle on the cause, and not medicate the symptom away.

I find it wildly ironic that a lot of folks want to trash a big pharma boogie man for only extracting money by treating symptoms and not root causes by prescribing chemicals, while simultaneously layout out loads of money for chemicals that at best treat symptoms and not root causes.

Chemical compounds are chemical compounds. They have no ******* idea if they were manufactured inside a lab or inside of a plant (which, from your body's perspective, is a wildly alien and potentially harmful environment). Chemicals are what they are. Some just come with double blind clinical trials proving efficacy and lack of side effects that are worse than the condition they are supposed to treat.

And the last thing I'll say is that I'm kinda over psychoactives since the assholes migrated over to them. Once upon a time the drug of choice for an asshole was cocaine. Nowadays it's my observation that the drug of choice for the assholes are psychedelics.

To be super clear, I'm not saying anyone who uses psychedelics is an asshole. Merely that it's my observation that a lot of assholes are suddenly all about some psychedelics.

 

[superrific]

Meh...

To be super clear, I'm not saying anyone who uses psychedelics is an asshole. Merely that it's my observation that a lot of assholes are suddenly all about some psychedelics.

Unless you are using psychedelics with those people, what does it matter whether other users are assholes?

 

[finesse]

Yeah but 45 years ago they weren't cutting with fentanyl. I don't have any idea why someone would cut with Strychnine but that ain't in the same ballpark of danger as the synthetic opiates.

Not real sure just how much better PCP or heroin were but if you say so.

Strychnine was cheaper and easier to obtain and roughly duplicated some of the effects of hallucinogens and cocaine.



Strychnine was popularly used as an athletic performance enhancer and recreational stimulant in the late 19th century and early 20th century, due to its convulsant effects. One notorious instance of its use was during the 1904 Olympics marathon, when track-and-field athlete Thomas Hicks was unwittingly administered a concoction of egg whites and brandy laced with a small amount of strychnine by his assistants in a vain attempt to boost his stamina. Hicks won the race, but was hallucinating<a href="Strychnine - Wikipedia

Maximilian Theodor Buch proposed it as a cure for alcoholism around the same time. It was thought to be similar to coffee,

Its effects are well-described in H. G. Wells' novella The Invisible Man: the title character states "Strychnine is a grand tonic ... to take the flabbiness out of a man." Dr Kemp, an acquaintance, replies: "It's the devil. It's the palaeolithic in a bottle."<a href="https://en.wikipedia

 

[farce©]

He started out with controlled. But then he developed an addiction.

Matthew Perry was addicted to everything. He was also a raging alcoholic. By your calculation no one should touch alcohol based on Matthew Perry's alcoholism.

 

[hedge]

I just don’t want to poison you all with my high stress processing framework., though. Today, I’m feeling very guilty about that.

This irks me. You're the heart and soul of this board and one flibbertigibbet poster who has run the gamut of guaranteeing Biden, Harris and Trump victories has said your posting of various polls has upset him and now you feel guilty?? You provide more value and information than anybody on the board and now you feel like you might be "poisoning" us? Maybe there's more going on here than just that one poster, but that's all I've seen. Regardless, you're the main reason (certainly one of the main reasons, besides, of course, Rock) that most of the posters in here are here at all. You are literally my main source of news and oppo research as well as being a great poster in general aside from the political stuff. You post whatever you want to post, I assure you it is appreciated by far more posters in here than it might prove distressing to a few (very few). Illegitimi non carborundum, nycfan...

 

[Ddseddse]

Unless you are using psychedelics with those people, what does it matter whether other users are assholes?

To me it's about tribal identity signaling.

That's great when the tribal identity is "Peace, Love, and Rock and Roll".

But it's quite another thing when the tribal identity is "Well you know, Hitler wasn't ALL bad...".

 

[superrific]

Not real sure just how much better PCP or heroin were but if you say so.

Strychnine was cheaper and easier to obtain and roughly duplicated some of the effects of hallucinogens and cocaine.



Strychnine was popularly used as an athletic performance enhancer and recreational stimulant in the late 19th century and early 20th century, due to its convulsant effects. One notorious instance of its use was during the 1904 Olympics marathon, when track-and-field athlete Thomas Hicks was unwittingly administered a concoction of egg whites and brandy laced with a small amount of strychnine by his assistants in a vain attempt to boost his stamina. Hicks won the race, but was hallucinating<a href="Strychnine - Wikipedia

Maximilian Theodor Buch proposed it as a cure for alcoholism around the same time. It was thought to be similar to coffee,

Its effects are well-described in H. G. Wells' novella The Invisible Man: the title character states "Strychnine is a grand tonic ... to take the flabbiness out of a man." Dr Kemp, an acquaintance, replies: "It's the devil. It's the palaeolithic in a bottle."<a href="https://en.wikipedia

I see. I thought strynchine was just a poison. Anyway, could you elaborate on the PCP/heroin comment? Are you saying you did those drugs, or that drugs you did were cut with them?

 

[superrific]

To me it's about tribal identity signaling.

That's great when the tribal identity is "Peace, Love, and Rock and Roll".

But it's quite another thing when the tribal identity is "We'll you know, Hitler wasn't ALL bad...".

I get that. But driving a Tesla for all to see seems quite different than tripping out at home. The latter wouldn't seem to me to have much connection to tribal identity. I mean, it's fine if that consideration is important to you. For me, it wouldn't come to mind . . . and I'm someone who will never buy a Tesla.

 

[finesse]

As far as heroin, drugs that were cut with it. Fwiw, just assume that if there was a drug between 1970 and 1985 you could use without a needle, I tried it. If I liked it, I tried it a lot. I really liked speed, LSD, MDA and mescaline.

 

[korgguy1971]

Probs need to change this thread title to "The Election - Before You Self-Medicate, Pls Read This First"

 

[superrific]

As far as heroin, drugs that were cut with it. Fwiw, just assume that if there was a drug between 1970 and 1985 you could use without a needle, I tried it. If I liked it, I tried it a lot. I really liked speed, LSD, MDA and mescaline.

I did not know that drugs were ever cut with heroin, or if I did know it, I'd forgotten.

Still, fentanyl is way more dangerous than heroin.

 

[Ddseddse]

I see. I thought strynchine was just a poison. Anyway, could you elaborate on the PCP/heroin comment? Are you saying you did those drugs, or that drugs you did were cut with them?

The dose makes the poison.

Everything thing you consume contains arsenic and as a result, a non-negligible portion of your body is made of arsenic. But that's healthy and normal because the dose makes the poison. On the other hand, in a large enough dose, ordinary water is a deadly poison, will kill you dead.

This is what I wish the "OMG!!! There's fluoride my my toothpaste!!!" idiots would understand. Might as well run around and yell "OMG!!! There's arsenic in my brussel sprouts!!!".

 

[finesse]

I did not know that drugs were ever cut with heroin, or if I did know it, I'd forgotten.

Still, fentanyl is way more dangerous than heroin.

You occasionally ran into pot dusted with it. Someone snuck it in on me. We had a serious discussion about it the next day.

 

[05C40]

It had very little experience with drugs before I joined the Army. Once I finished with Basic, I went to AIT (Advanced Individual Training) where, first thing, we were told we would be subject to random monthly urinalysis testing. And we were told that if we came up positive, we would "win a scholarship to Ft. Polk, Louisiana where we would receive training on how to carry a mortar baseplant," rather than how to operate and maintain cryptographic devices. And once I got to my first duty assignment, I was told that I would be subject to random, monthly urinalysis and if came up positive, I would be getting a general discharge and a FTA (flight to America.) So, I have never really done drugs, except the occasional joint at some party before the Army. Even then, it just never did anything for me.

Maybe I missed out some inner bliss or some expanded understanding of space, time, and the universe. If so, then that's water under the bridge at this stage of my life.

 

[finesse]

The dose makes the poison.

Everything thing you consume contains arsenic and as a result, a non-negligible portion of your body is made of arsenic. But that's healthy and normal because the dose makes the poison. On the other hand, in a large enough dose, ordinary water is a deadly poison, will kill you dead.

This is what I with the "OMG!!! There's fluoride my my toothpaste!!!" idiots would understand. Might as well run around and yell "OMG!!! There's arsenic in my brussel sprouts!!!".

Yeah and cyanide in peach and apricot pits and apple seed. Potatoes and tomatoes are members of the deadly nightshade family and the leaves, roots and sprouts are poisonous. People have died in famines when they didn't peel the sprouts off of potatoes before eating them.

 

[superrific]

The dose makes the poison.

Everything thing you consume contains arsenic and as a result, a non-negligible portion of your body is made of arsenic. But that's healthy and normal because the dose makes the poison. On the other hand, in a large enough dose, ordinary water is a deadly poison, will kill you dead.

This is what I with the "OMG!!! There's fluoride my my toothpaste!!!" idiots would understand. Might as well run around and yell "OMG!!! There's arsenic in my brussel sprouts!!!".

Yes, the dose makes the poison. But in ordinary language and usage, some substances are called "poisons" because they are poisonous in low doses (especially the most ordinary dose size) and typically (though I suppose not always) have few redeeming qualities. We call some mushrooms "poisonous" and others are not, though technically all mushrooms contain poisons and you can die from the poisons in an ordinary button mushroom (I think) with effort.

Anyway, the point of my post was that I didn't know much if anything about strychnine.

 

[TarHeelGrad]

My family has experience with so many different expressions of mental health issues, I've learned so much over the years and still know that I do not know enough.
I'm glad to see society seems to be heading the right direction with awareness and treatment, but we are a long way from having the tools to really deal with it. I just hope that we keep going.

At this time, I'm actually in an ok place, but my wife and I are having to deal with the impending passing of my father and how we are going to take care of my mother. So, there's always a challenge.

There is one thing. So many know the story of the struggles of my middle daughter. I'm so happy that she is doing really well. She put her opening a bakery on hold for now and took a job at Sams in the bakery about 7 months ago. She's already been promoted to shift manager and increased her salary 50%. But listening to her talk about work and dealing with customers and employees, you can tell that she learned so much from the therapy. She's very understanding, compassionate, and really reads people well. I think that she would make a great counselor. She's just in a good place right now and that makes my wife and my life much better.

I'm late reading this, but I just wanted to reach out and say that I am so happy for you and your daughter. I remember when your daughter first came out and you were so supportive of her and basically said "fuck the church". As a fellow dad, it brings a tear to my eye thinking of how much of an impact, in a positive way, you have had on your daughter's life. All heroes don't wear capes, dude.