Mental Health & The Election

[finesse]

Yeah but 45 years ago they weren't cutting with fentanyl. I don't have any idea why someone would cut with Strychnine but that ain't in the same ballpark of danger as the synthetic opiates.

Not real sure just how much better PCP or heroin were but if you say so.

Strychnine was cheaper and easier to obtain and roughly duplicated some of the effects of hallucinogens and cocaine.



Strychnine was popularly used as an athletic performance enhancer and recreational stimulant in the late 19th century and early 20th century, due to its convulsant effects. One notorious instance of its use was during the 1904 Olympics marathon, when track-and-field athlete Thomas Hicks was unwittingly administered a concoction of egg whites and brandy laced with a small amount of strychnine by his assistants in a vain attempt to boost his stamina. Hicks won the race, but was hallucinating<a href="Strychnine - Wikipedia

Maximilian Theodor Buch proposed it as a cure for alcoholism around the same time. It was thought to be similar to coffee,

Its effects are well-described in H. G. Wells' novella The Invisible Man: the title character states "Strychnine is a grand tonic ... to take the flabbiness out of a man." Dr Kemp, an acquaintance, replies: "It's the devil. It's the palaeolithic in a bottle."<a href="https://en.wikipedia

 

[farce©]

He started out with controlled. But then he developed an addiction.

Matthew Perry was addicted to everything. He was also a raging alcoholic. By your calculation no one should touch alcohol based on Matthew Perry's alcoholism.

 

[hedge]

I just don’t want to poison you all with my high stress processing framework., though. Today, I’m feeling very guilty about that.

This irks me. You're the heart and soul of this board and one flibbertigibbet poster who has run the gamut of guaranteeing Biden, Harris and Trump victories has said your posting of various polls has upset him and now you feel guilty?? You provide more value and information than anybody on the board and now you feel like you might be "poisoning" us? Maybe there's more going on here than just that one poster, but that's all I've seen. Regardless, you're the main reason (certainly one of the main reasons, besides, of course, Rock) that most of the posters in here are here at all. You are literally my main source of news and oppo research as well as being a great poster in general aside from the political stuff. You post whatever you want to post, I assure you it is appreciated by far more posters in here than it might prove distressing to a few (very few). Illegitimi non carborundum, nycfan...

 

[Ddseddse]

Unless you are using psychedelics with those people, what does it matter whether other users are assholes?

To me it's about tribal identity signaling.

That's great when the tribal identity is "Peace, Love, and Rock and Roll".

But it's quite another thing when the tribal identity is "Well you know, Hitler wasn't ALL bad...".

 

[superrific]

Not real sure just how much better PCP or heroin were but if you say so.

Strychnine was cheaper and easier to obtain and roughly duplicated some of the effects of hallucinogens and cocaine.



Strychnine was popularly used as an athletic performance enhancer and recreational stimulant in the late 19th century and early 20th century, due to its convulsant effects. One notorious instance of its use was during the 1904 Olympics marathon, when track-and-field athlete Thomas Hicks was unwittingly administered a concoction of egg whites and brandy laced with a small amount of strychnine by his assistants in a vain attempt to boost his stamina. Hicks won the race, but was hallucinating<a href="Strychnine - Wikipedia

Maximilian Theodor Buch proposed it as a cure for alcoholism around the same time. It was thought to be similar to coffee,

Its effects are well-described in H. G. Wells' novella The Invisible Man: the title character states "Strychnine is a grand tonic ... to take the flabbiness out of a man." Dr Kemp, an acquaintance, replies: "It's the devil. It's the palaeolithic in a bottle."<a href="https://en.wikipedia

I see. I thought strynchine was just a poison. Anyway, could you elaborate on the PCP/heroin comment? Are you saying you did those drugs, or that drugs you did were cut with them?

 

[superrific]

To me it's about tribal identity signaling.

That's great when the tribal identity is "Peace, Love, and Rock and Roll".

But it's quite another thing when the tribal identity is "We'll you know, Hitler wasn't ALL bad...".

I get that. But driving a Tesla for all to see seems quite different than tripping out at home. The latter wouldn't seem to me to have much connection to tribal identity. I mean, it's fine if that consideration is important to you. For me, it wouldn't come to mind . . . and I'm someone who will never buy a Tesla.

 

[finesse]

As far as heroin, drugs that were cut with it. Fwiw, just assume that if there was a drug between 1970 and 1985 you could use without a needle, I tried it. If I liked it, I tried it a lot. I really liked speed, LSD, MDA and mescaline.

 

[korgguy1971]

Probs need to change this thread title to "The Election - Before You Self-Medicate, Pls Read This First"

 

[superrific]

As far as heroin, drugs that were cut with it. Fwiw, just assume that if there was a drug between 1970 and 1985 you could use without a needle, I tried it. If I liked it, I tried it a lot. I really liked speed, LSD, MDA and mescaline.

I did not know that drugs were ever cut with heroin, or if I did know it, I'd forgotten.

Still, fentanyl is way more dangerous than heroin.

 

[Ddseddse]

I see. I thought strynchine was just a poison. Anyway, could you elaborate on the PCP/heroin comment? Are you saying you did those drugs, or that drugs you did were cut with them?

The dose makes the poison.

Everything thing you consume contains arsenic and as a result, a non-negligible portion of your body is made of arsenic. But that's healthy and normal because the dose makes the poison. On the other hand, in a large enough dose, ordinary water is a deadly poison, will kill you dead.

This is what I wish the "OMG!!! There's fluoride my my toothpaste!!!" idiots would understand. Might as well run around and yell "OMG!!! There's arsenic in my brussel sprouts!!!".

 

[finesse]

I did not know that drugs were ever cut with heroin, or if I did know it, I'd forgotten.

Still, fentanyl is way more dangerous than heroin.

You occasionally ran into pot dusted with it. Someone snuck it in on me. We had a serious discussion about it the next day.

 

[05C40]

It had very little experience with drugs before I joined the Army. Once I finished with Basic, I went to AIT (Advanced Individual Training) where, first thing, we were told we would be subject to random monthly urinalysis testing. And we were told that if we came up positive, we would "win a scholarship to Ft. Polk, Louisiana where we would receive training on how to carry a mortar baseplant," rather than how to operate and maintain cryptographic devices. And once I got to my first duty assignment, I was told that I would be subject to random, monthly urinalysis and if came up positive, I would be getting a general discharge and a FTA (flight to America.) So, I have never really done drugs, except the occasional joint at some party before the Army. Even then, it just never did anything for me.

Maybe I missed out some inner bliss or some expanded understanding of space, time, and the universe. If so, then that's water under the bridge at this stage of my life.

 

[finesse]

The dose makes the poison.

Everything thing you consume contains arsenic and as a result, a non-negligible portion of your body is made of arsenic. But that's healthy and normal because the dose makes the poison. On the other hand, in a large enough dose, ordinary water is a deadly poison, will kill you dead.

This is what I with the "OMG!!! There's fluoride my my toothpaste!!!" idiots would understand. Might as well run around and yell "OMG!!! There's arsenic in my brussel sprouts!!!".

Yeah and cyanide in peach and apricot pits and apple seed. Potatoes and tomatoes are members of the deadly nightshade family and the leaves, roots and sprouts are poisonous. People have died in famines when they didn't peel the sprouts off of potatoes before eating them.

 

[superrific]

The dose makes the poison.

Everything thing you consume contains arsenic and as a result, a non-negligible portion of your body is made of arsenic. But that's healthy and normal because the dose makes the poison. On the other hand, in a large enough dose, ordinary water is a deadly poison, will kill you dead.

This is what I with the "OMG!!! There's fluoride my my toothpaste!!!" idiots would understand. Might as well run around and yell "OMG!!! There's arsenic in my brussel sprouts!!!".

Yes, the dose makes the poison. But in ordinary language and usage, some substances are called "poisons" because they are poisonous in low doses (especially the most ordinary dose size) and typically (though I suppose not always) have few redeeming qualities. We call some mushrooms "poisonous" and others are not, though technically all mushrooms contain poisons and you can die from the poisons in an ordinary button mushroom (I think) with effort.

Anyway, the point of my post was that I didn't know much if anything about strychnine.

 

[TarHeelGrad]

My family has experience with so many different expressions of mental health issues, I've learned so much over the years and still know that I do not know enough.
I'm glad to see society seems to be heading the right direction with awareness and treatment, but we are a long way from having the tools to really deal with it. I just hope that we keep going.

At this time, I'm actually in an ok place, but my wife and I are having to deal with the impending passing of my father and how we are going to take care of my mother. So, there's always a challenge.

There is one thing. So many know the story of the struggles of my middle daughter. I'm so happy that she is doing really well. She put her opening a bakery on hold for now and took a job at Sams in the bakery about 7 months ago. She's already been promoted to shift manager and increased her salary 50%. But listening to her talk about work and dealing with customers and employees, you can tell that she learned so much from the therapy. She's very understanding, compassionate, and really reads people well. I think that she would make a great counselor. She's just in a good place right now and that makes my wife and my life much better.

I'm late reading this, but I just wanted to reach out and say that I am so happy for you and your daughter. I remember when your daughter first came out and you were so supportive of her and basically said "fuck the church". As a fellow dad, it brings a tear to my eye thinking of how much of an impact, in a positive way, you have had on your daughter's life. All heroes don't wear capes, dude.

 

[UNCatTech]

The dose makes the poison.

Everything thing you consume contains arsenic and as a result, a non-negligible portion of your body is made of arsenic. But that's healthy and normal because the dose makes the poison. On the other hand, in a large enough dose, ordinary water is a deadly poison, will kill you dead.

This is what I with the "OMG!!! There's fluoride my my toothpaste!!!" idiots would understand. Might as well run around and yell "OMG!!! There's arsenic in my brussel sprouts!!!".

I recall a lady calling a talk show I was listening to to warn of the fluoride in the water. The host told her there was something far worse.... dihydrogen monoxide. She bit hook, line, and sinker.

 

[UNCatTech]

You occasionally ran into pot dusted with it. Someone snuck it in on me. We had a serious discussion about it the next day.

Yea, I got a laced joint once, when I worked at taco bell. I was moving so fast I ran everyone off the line. After the lunch rush my manager looked at me and just said I don't want to know.

 

[TarHeelGrad]

I'm 53. At some point around 50, my body was like "nope" and any kind of cannabinoids just make me want to go to sleep. No euphoria/high, no nothing. Previously I loved doing it as an aid for anxiety/stress (or as a young person, just for expanding my mind or listening to The Doors or whatever). Sativa, indica - didn't seem to matter. All of the above makes me sleeeeeepppyyy now. Psilocybin too - what a gyp. Did acid once and although it was a fascinating and memorable experience, I didn't like the idea of not being in control and feared doing it again in case it ended up being a bad trip.

Dude, are you my long-lost brother? Your pot and acid trip mirrors mine exactly.

 

[UNCatTech]

It had very little experience with drugs before I joined the Army. Once I finished with Basic, I went to AIT (Advanced Individual Training) where, first thing, we were told we would be subject to random monthly urinalysis testing. And we were told that if we came up positive, we would "win a scholarship to Ft. Polk, Louisiana where we would receive training on how to carry a mortar baseplant," rather than how to operate and maintain cryptographic devices. And once I got to my first duty assignment, I was told that I would be subject to random, monthly urinalysis and if came up positive, I would be getting a general discharge and a FTA (flight to America.) So, I have never really done drugs, except the occasional joint at some party before the Army. Even then, I just never did anything for me.

Maybe I missed out some inner bliss or some expanded understanding of space, time, and the universe. If so, then that's water under the bridge at this stage of my life.

No one should have regrets for not doing drugs.

As much fun as they could be, I have negative stories also. Most of the negative was from alcohol.

 

[Ddseddse]

I get that. But driving a Tesla for all to see seems quite different than tripping out at home. The latter wouldn't seem to me to have much connection to tribal identity. I mean, it's fine if that consideration is important to you. For me, it wouldn't come to mind . . . and I'm someone who will never buy a Tesla.

Yeah. I get that. I can see the argument that we shouldn't have to cede psychedelics to the assholes, just because they have a newfound fascination with them.

I think my personal POV is influence by the fact that I don't necessarily view psychedelics as unambiguously good in and of themselves in the first place. I could say more on the topic, but I don't want to drag the tread further off topic.