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Free Palestine not equal to anti Semitic. Just as equal rights for non white people doesn't equal discrimination against white people.
There's nuance, it's not binary.
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There's nuance, it's not binary.
Yeah. I'd complain if anybody was being brutalized by illegal actions and unfairly treated. I don't need to check their bonafides. I don't have to like their politics. I just have to hate how they are being treated. It took me 60 years but I went from unabashedly pro-Israel in the early 60s to a supporter who had serious concerns about the settlements to a person who regrets having Israel as an ally, despises BiBi and thinks he's a war criminal. If it weren't for the mythical religious connection, would we be on their side? What exactly the fuck have we ever gotten out of it?
That said, Palestine as screwed up by the numbers along with the other ME countries complicit in the origin and maintenance of this situation. I have no use for anything that they've done. It's that I still don't think they should be beaten like a caged animal. You'd think that with their history, Israel would be better than that. Before you jump on me for that comparison, Israeli soldiers started making it in the 80s.
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Yes, it's just not a simple discussion. Lots of history.
My thing is that the people in both groups, just want to live life. It's the governments and other groups, in my opinion, that seem to keep tensions high.
I just can't understand why they couldn't have come to an agreement years ago to allow both groups of people the ability to seek out their best life.
Didn't mean to derail the thread. If there's more conversation warranted or needed, I'll go over to the other thread for that.
This one needs to continue to talk about the fucking idiot that thought that the proper action for his beliefs was to kill those that voted against his opinion or belief. Fucking idiots like that are not needed in any society.
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They have deported US Citizens.
But they have also deported people here legally, with valid work visas.
They also took away student visas from foreigners and then arrested them.
To me, all of this seems like Jack-booted government thuggery.
Two of our own have told personal stories on the “How will Trump affect you,” thread in the last 24 hours.
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The mother, who was being deported, decided to take her to US citizen kids with her. Those kids could have stayed in the US.In one of the cases, it's two U.S. citizen siblings, a 4-year-old and a 7-year-old, who were deported with their undocumented mother to Honduras within 24 hours after being detained.
Now, in the other case, the third child is a 2-year-old girl who was referred to in court filings with the initials VML. She was also deported to Honduras with her mother. That 2-year-old is a U.S. citizen and they were deported roughly three days — after being held for three days in detention.
And we have previously reported that there were other U.S. citizen children deported. So, in all, under the Trump administration, by our count, there have been at least seven U.S. citizen children who have been deported with their parents so far.
This is from April. Who knows what the actual count is at this moment. But it’s past time for you to remove your head from its well rested position up your ass.
Children who are U.S. citizens deported along with foreign-born mothers, attorneys say
Nearing 100 days in office, the Trump administration continues to push further on its immigration crackdown by deporting families and targeting sanctuary cities. White House correspondent Laura Barrón-López reports on three deported American citizens.www.pbs.org
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yeah man, forcing children aged 2, 4 and 7 years old to separate from their mothers is really solid, benevolent, morally grounded behavior.
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Other than the two kids mention above, who the mother decided to take with her when she was being deported, I do not believe any adult, US citizens have been deported..
Which is legal under certain conditions.
Which is also legal under certain conditions. I would say the Trump administration was a little heavy-handed in these cases, because they were deporting students for being essentially anti-Semitic/Hamas terrorist supporters, but I'm Not going to mourn the loss of those types of people.
I see it more as a difference of degrees of enforcement regarding people who are only here because we allow them to be.
For example, I'm ok with allowing anti-Semitic college students to remain here, despite the fact they are likely supporting, if not outright calling for, the elimination of Israel. I'm okay with it because we support free speech, even when that speech is horrible.....But I'm also okay with deporting them because we can and should, be selective with who we allow to be here.
I'm also ok with deportng criminals. The question of which crimes are worthy of deportation is, again, really just a difference of opinion which we often see between Dems and Republicans.
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Which is probably why she took her kids with her.
She broke the law and she knew there were risks. Ultimately, she is responsible for the situation she put her kids in.
When drug dealers get busted, we don't say "Well, we know your million dollar home and 5 cars was bought with drug money but, since you already have those things, we'll just let you keep them."
I understand the moral dilemma, but I don't think allowing illegal immigrants to leverage our emotions is a good policy.
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that you continue to parrot the "they're antisemitic and terrorist supporting" tropes about anyone who disagrees with israel's genocidal, zionist agenda is so disgusting and dishonest.
the stupidity is mind-numbing. are the huge numbers of jewish folks who disagree with israel's actions and agenda antisemitic?
the stupidity is mind-numbing. are the huge numbers of jewish folks who disagree with israel's actions and agenda antisemitic?
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nah. this is disgusting and unconscionable, period.
if these were white european women they'd be allowed to stay here and raise their american children.
Three US citizen children, one with cancer, deported to Honduras, lawyers say
Trump's border czar Tom Homan says the mothers had made the choice for their citizen children to be removed with them.
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REALLY?
Would you have left your kids?
Who was going to take care of them?
Man you are a cold person.
Are you OK with deporting Afghan translators who risked not only their own safety but also the lives of their families for us in the GWOT? Are you OK with deporting Afghan Christians here legally who face summary execution once they are returned to their home country?
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I don't think it's good policy to reward criminals because of emotions. Once people figure out that, all they need to do is get here illegally, start having kids and they'll be allowed to stay, I think it only encourages more sneaking in.
Objection! Speculation.if these were white european women they'd be allowed to stay here and raise their american children.
Three US citizen children, one with cancer, deported to Honduras, lawyers say
Trump's border czar Tom Homan says the mothers had made the choice for their citizen children to be removed with them.
Also baseless:
ICE Arrests Mississippi Father at His Citizenship Hearing
ICE arrested Kasper Eriksen, a Mississippi father, at his citizenship hearing, imprisoning him and threatening him with deportation.
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REALLY, you're comparing a person trying to better their life by leaving their country to go to the US for opportunities with a drug dealer.
DID Silence hack your account or are you equally deplorable?
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Absolutely not, but her decision to take them, while perfectly understandable, isn't "the US deporting citizens".
Again, I absolutely support her decision.
"Cold" would be forcibly taking her kids and deporting only her.
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y'all sure are getting a lot of mileage out of the one token white guy.I don't think it's good policy to reward criminals because of emotions. Once people figure out that, all they need to do is get here illegally, start having kids and they'll be allowed to stay, I think it only encourages more sneaking in.
Objection! Speculation.
Also baseless:
ICE Arrests Mississippi Father at His Citizenship Hearing
ICE arrested Kasper Eriksen, a Mississippi father, at his citizenship hearing, imprisoning him and threatening him with deportation.
meanwhile....
US to order 500,000 citizens of four countries to leave
People from Haiti, Nicaragua, Cuba and Venezuela who had temporary permission to stay in the country are receiving emails telling them to go.
www.bbc.com
and once again with the ABSURD framing. those women aren't criminals any more than you are for things like your daily low level traffic violations. they're asylum seekers in search of a better life and they contribute really important things to this country.
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Exactly.y'all sure are getting a lot of mileage out of the one token white guy.
meanwhile....
US to order 500,000 citizens of four countries to leave
People from Haiti, Nicaragua, Cuba and Venezuela who had temporary permission to stay in the country are receiving emails telling them to go.
and once again with the ABSURD framing. those women aren't criminals any more than you are for things like your daily low level traffic violations. they're asylum seekers in search of a better life and they contribute really important things to this country.
It's because fox news has convinced them that being here undocumented is equivalent to murder, legally.
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Given our proximity to Mexico, Central and south America, it shouldn't be surprising that most people being deported aren't white. People aren't scrambling to leave Canada.
They are criminals. The difference between Ds and Rs is just a difference in opinion on how/when those criminals should be addressed.meanwhile....
US to order 500,000 citizens of four countries to leave
People from Haiti, Nicaragua, Cuba and Venezuela who had temporary permission to stay in the country are receiving emails telling them to go.
and once again with the ABSURD framing. those women aren't criminals any more than you are for things like your daily low level traffic violations. they're asylum seekers in search of a better life and they contribute really important things to this country.
You do know you’re interacting with Zen Mode?