NC Supreme Court race - Riggs ahead +734 | Griffin loses in Fed Court, Concedes

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4thgenheel said:
this has been explained to you repeatedly already but while the absurd and unprecedented process that griffin undertook was technically legal, many/most of his arguments were wildly unfair and completely at odds with long established precedent and the partisan hack rep majority on the NCSC embarrassingly tried to help facilitate his attempts to steal an election.

while truth and justice prevailed in the end, it took entirely too long to get there and the bad faith acting on the part of various republicans scattered around our state's judiciary was very extreme and disturbing. they do not care about the rules, they want to steal power and then hold onto it by force.

this is why people are taking issue with your "rah rah, the system works" narrative. it very nearly did not work. it took entirely too long to work.
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I hate to point out the hypocrisy with the same example but it's the same argument Trump is making: How can we have due process if these trials take so long?
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I hate to point out the hypocrisy with the same example but it's the same argument Trump is making: How can we have due process if these trials take so long?
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How did we have due process in 2021? Or 2018? Or 2012? Or 1999?

You mooks who think these issues started this year are so ridiculous. The reason that all of Trump's stuff is unprecedented is that it's obviously stupid or illegal. Including this nonsense about due process.

Incidentally Griffin has no due process right to a judicial seat, as far as I know. If the GA took away the election challenge procedures, he would not have a case.
 
superrific said:
Those people are called the GOP.

No matter how much you say it, not a soul here wanted to deny Griffin a day in court, so to speak. But he humiliated himself and proved himself unsuited for continuing service on the bench.
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He also proved that a majority of both the NC Court of Appeals and the NC Supreme Court are unsuited to be on the bench.

For those unaware, the Court of Appeals is 12 Magic T’s and 3 Democrats and the Supreme Court is is 5 Magic T’s to 2 Democrats.

I typed “Magic R’s;” it autocorrected to “Magic T’s.” They’re Trumplicans; so, I’ll leave it.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I hate to point out the hypocrisy with the same example but it's the same argument Trump is making: How can we have due process if these trials take so long?
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lol, what? Those two things aren't comparable at all.

The election challenge/review process doesn't take a long time. The only time we're still here talking about this seven months later is because griffin and the state appellate courts intentionally drew out the process in a bad-faith effort to try to change the result of the election. It didn't take seven months for Griffin to have "due process." He got his due process, then kept initiating more and more processes because he was trying to engineer the result he wanted.

As for Trump, he is simply wrong that due process makes immigration deportation cases take too long. The immigration system has handled millions of cases and deported millions of people over the last few decades, most of which don't actually require a full "trial" in any sense of the word. But in any event, if Trump wants to speed up the deportation cases, he can hire a bunch more immigration judges and move things through the system faster. Lots of people would appreciate that reform. Instead, though, he's firing immigration judges. Because he wants a procedure where there is no real evidentiary hearing and no real process to challenge whatever accusations are being made against you. Trump thinks that his justice department should just get to say that someone is MS-13 and that should literally be the end of it.
 
rodoheel said:
But the courts didn't do it correctly and slowly; they did it incorrectly and slowly. That's the whole point.
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I think they got it correct. Do you disagree with the ruling that the court made? I know there was some disagreement at some of the lower levels but that's why we have the appeals process in place. To correct those mistakes.
 
rodoheel said:
As for Trump, he is simply wrong that due process makes immigration deportation cases take too long. The immigration system has handled millions of cases and deported millions of people over the last few decades, most of which don't actually require a full "trial" in any sense of the word. But in any event, if Trump wants to speed up the deportation cases, he can hire a bunch more immigration judges and move things through the system faster. Lots of people would appreciate that reform. Instead, though, he's firing immigration judges. Because he wants a procedure where there is no real evidentiary hearing and no real process to challenge whatever accusations are being made against you. Trump thinks that his justice department should just get to say that someone is MS-13 and that should literally be the end of it.
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Federal district courts wouldn't be involved if Trump was just doing things the normal way. He is entirely to blame for the delays because he tried to infringe constitutional rights.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I think they got it correct. Do you disagree with the ruling that the court made? I know there was some disagreement at some of the lower levels but that's why we have the appeals process in place. To correct those mistakes.
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The appeals processes failed, dummy. You think a federal district court is an appellate court?

The NC courts completely and utterly failed, which is why the federal court had to clean it up. And that was by no means guaranteed.

This was a good result in the same way it would be a good result for UNC to beat NCCU on a last second half court buzzer beater. The W doesn't really tell the story.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I think they got it correct. Do you disagree with the ruling that the court made? I know there was some disagreement at some of the lower levels but that's why we have the appeals process in place. To correct those mistakes.
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multiple NC courts got it wrong on purpose and then finally a federal court got it right.

despite the eventual correct resolution, this is not a situation to be celebrated.
 
rodoheel said:
lol, what? Those two things aren't comparable at all.

The election challenge/review process doesn't take a long time. The only time we're still here talking about this seven months later is because griffin and the state appellate courts intentionally drew out the process in a bad-faith effort to try to change the result of the election. It didn't take seven months for Griffin to have "due process." He got his due process, then kept initiating more and more processes because he was trying to engineer the result he wanted.

As for Trump, he is simply wrong that due process makes immigration deportation cases take too long. The immigration system has handled millions of cases and deported millions of people over the last few decades, most of which don't actually require a full "trial" in any sense of the word. But in any event, if Trump wants to speed up the deportation cases, he can hire a bunch more immigration judges and move things through the system faster. Lots of people would appreciate that reform. Instead, though, he's firing immigration judges. Because he wants a procedure where there is no real evidentiary hearing and no real process to challenge whatever accusations are being made against you. Trump thinks that his justice department should just get to say that someone is MS-13 and that should literally be the end of it.
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I realize that they're not the same in the sense that it's a deportation hearing versus an election for a state office. I thought that would be pretty self-evident but I'm glad you gave me the opportunity to clarify that. I was just saying that they're the same in the sense that there are people that want to deny folks their legal rights simply because they don't agree with the people that are exercising those rights.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I was just saying that they're the same in the sense that there are people that want to deny folks their legal rights simply because they don't agree with the people that are exercising those rights.
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this is a blatant and absurd mischaracterization of the criticisms of the griffin/riggs saga and i think you know it.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I realize that they're not the same in the sense that it's a deportation hearing versus an election for a state office. I thought that would be pretty self-evident but I'm glad you gave me the opportunity to clarify that. I was just saying that they're the same in the sense that there are people that want to deny folks their legal rights simply because they don't agree with the people that are exercising those rights.
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no one wants to deny Griffin his legal rights
 
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