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“Sex predator” is a value judgment, not a criminal charge. But since your party abandoned values some time ago, I can see why it might be confusing.
Wow, nice to see libs so against sexual predators today. I'm puzzled, however, why 158 Dems voted against the Immigration and Nationality Act which provides that aliens convicted of sex offenses are immediately deportable. I guess they wanted them to remain in our communities.
 
Wow, nice to see libs so against sexual predators today. I'm puzzled, however, why 158 Dems voted against the Immigration and Nationality Act which provides that aliens convicted of sex offenses are immediately deportable. I guess they wanted them to remain in our communities.
Maybe because it was enacted in 1952?
 
LOL. Those guys aren't going to be sleepless. They haven't done anything wrong. If Gaetz tries to persecute them, they will have the best lawyers in the country lining up to represent them pro bono if necessary. They will be able to raise millions through gofundme. Trump is going to need a lot more than Gaetz to get at them.

But the Ruby Freemans of the world? That's who will be spending sleepless nights. Ordinary Americans like people on this board, who have to worry about whether the American government will be able to function at all competently or if we're going to end up like Argentina in the 1970s -- completely bankrupt, exhausted, demoralized and broke.

That's who you've been campaigning against all along. You think you're going after Jack Smith. But really you've been campaigning against America. You're been campaigning against decency. You've been campaigning against the welfare of the people you so cravenly call countrymen or countrywomen. That's what Trump is -- a full repudiation of all decency.

And all of that hate you are sending out will come back to bite you. I think you know that. It's just worth it to you to cause harm to the people you hate. It's all about draining the pools rather than integrate them.
Lawfare, particularly the NYC cases, make your point - you just won't recognize it.
Oh and I saw Weissman on Morning Joe this am and he looked pretty rattled - not his usual smug, know-it-all demeaner.
 
Maybe because it was enacted in 1952?
Correction: An amendment to the Immigration and Nationality Act - The Violence Against Women by Illegal Aliens Act which was passed in September (266-158). The point remains that 158 Dems voted against it.
 
Correction: An amendment to the Immigration and Nationality Act - The Violence Against Women by Illegal Aliens Act which was passed in September (266-158). The point remains that 158 Dems voted against it.
The devil's in the details. If, say, you were to post the amendment and their objections, you might even get an answer. No point in me looking because I'm pretty sure that we won't see things the same. Set 'em up and I can see if I'm interested in knocking them down.
 
Correction: An amendment to the Immigration and Nationality Act - The Violence Against Women by Illegal Aliens Act which was passed in September (266-158). The point remains that 158 Dems voted against it.
Here is Jerry Nadler's statement explaining his opposition if you're actually interested in the rationale: Ranking Member Nadler Opening Statement for the House Judiciary Committee Markup of H.R. 7909, the "Violence Against Women by Illegal Aliens Act"

And here is a letter in opposition to the bill from dozens of groups that advocate for victims of domestic violence, sexual assault, etc.: https://freedomnetworkusa.org/app/uploads/2024/05/DV-SA-Coalition-Sign-On-opposing-HR7909.pdf
 
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Correction: An amendment to the Immigration and Nationality Act - The Violence Against Women by Illegal Aliens Act which was passed in September (266-158). The point remains that 158 Dems voted against it.
I don't know the ins and outs of that bill, but I'm sure it was similar to the resolution passed in NC stating that only citizens can vote. Sounds reasonable and straightforward, right? However, when you take into account the fact that the resolution doesn't change the current law at all - which already stated that only citizens can vote - then you realize there's more to it than that. Specifically, it removes language about being born in the US or being naturalized, so it could lead to some confusion among naturalized citizens and cause some not to vote. And that was probably the whole point all along.

TangledUpInBlue06 beat me to it, but I'm seeing that the Violence Against Women bill may be something similar where it doesn't add much to the law already on the books but could actually cause more confusion. As posted above, there's some thinking that it could include domestic violence victims among those that could be deported. So, basically something performative to throw some meat to the base.
 
He's not a "sex predator." The Justice Department opened an investigation for his alleged involvement in sex trafficking in 2021 (leaked it to the press) then ended their investigation without any charges being brought against him. Don't you trust the Justice Department to do a thorough investigation?
Yea, no evidence of him being with a teen aged girl....

Is this the battle you choose for the party?

Gaetz is a piece of shit.
 
I'm not the designated defender of Gaetz. I said last night that it was a bridge too far to appoint him AG. I simply pointed out he's not a criminal and has never been charged by the DOJ. I have no doubt the ethics report is devastating which is why he resigned yesterday. Most all Republicans despise the guy.

You all won't acknowledge, however, that Trump picked Matt to massively troll the Left, play 4D chess and send the Deep State spiraling out of control. He wants Jack Smith, Andrew Weissman et al spending sleepless nights over the next few months. No way no how Gaetz is ever approved by the Senate and Recess appointments are easier said than done. Trump will withdraw the selection by January.
If you know he's a piece of shit then why come to his defense with a technicality?

Not being criminally charged or convicted doesn't mean he didn't do what is being investigated.

Just seems like there are better hills to defend.
 
I'm not the designated defender of Gaetz. I said last night that it was a bridge too far to appoint him AG. I simply pointed out he's not a criminal and has never been charged by the DOJ. I have no doubt the ethics report is devastating which is why he resigned yesterday. Most all Republicans despise the guy.

You all won't acknowledge, however, that Trump picked Matt to massively troll the Left, play 4D chess and send the Deep State spiraling out of control. He wants Jack Smith, Andrew Weissman et al spending sleepless nights over the next few months. No way no how Gaetz is ever approved by the Senate and Recess appointments are easier said than done. Trump will withdraw the selection by January.
 
If you know he's a piece of shit then why come to his defense with a technicality?

Not being criminally charged or convicted doesn't mean he didn't do what is being investigated.

Just seems like there are better hills to defend.
There are; hence, the purpose of my post. I'm not defending him, I simply wanted to point out that the DOJ investigated him and did not charge him with a crime.
 
Wow, nice to see libs so against sexual predators today. I'm puzzled, however, why 158 Dems voted against the Immigration and Nationality Act which provides that aliens convicted of sex offenses are immediately deportable. I guess they wanted them to remain in our communities.
I'm sure its like most bills and there were other things attached that didn't make since.

I'm sure that everyone here would be ok with an immigrant convicted of a sexual crime being deported.

I'd personally be ok if citizens convicted of certain sexual crimes being deported.

I say certain because in some states two consenting adult males have sex is against the law.

Nothing is perfect, not even laws. It should not be against the law for two consenting adults to have willful consensual sex.
 
Here is Jerry Nadler's statement explaining his opposition if you're actually interested in the rationale: Ranking Member Nadler Opening Statement for the House Judiciary Committee Markup of H.R. 7909, the "Violence Against Women by Illegal Aliens Act"

And here is a letter in opposition to the bill from dozens of groups that advocate for victims of domestic violence, sexual assault, etc.: https://freedomnetworkusa.org/app/uploads/2024/05/DV-SA-Coalition-Sign-On-opposing-HR7909.pdf
Ramrouser is struggling.
 
There are; hence, the purpose of my post. I'm not defending him, I simply wanted to point out that the DOJ investigated him and did not charge him with a crime.
But, that is defending him, to an extent.

If he were a Democrat, I wouldn't have shown him that support.
 

Exactly. This was a decision made on a flight from WPB to DC, when Trump's ear was being bent by a Trump advisor who very likely has ties to Putin and has been charged with multiple crimes himself, and outside the presence of Trump's chief of staff. Now, his COS is problematic in her own right, but this is a decision that was made when the inmates had temporarily seized full control over the asylum.

And yet, I have no doubt the GOP "normies" in Congress will trip over their own feet in their haste to get him approved.
 
Correction: An amendment to the Immigration and Nationality Act - The Violence Against Women by Illegal Aliens Act which was passed in September (266-158). The point remains that 158 Dems voted against it.
I'll have to look up the full context of the ammendment.
 
Here is Jerry Nadler's statement explaining his opposition if you're actually interested in the rationale: Ranking Member Nadler Opening Statement for the House Judiciary Committee Markup of H.R. 7909, the "Violence Against Women by Illegal Aliens Act"

And here is a letter in opposition to the bill from dozens of groups that advocate for victims of domestic violence, sexual assault, etc.: https://freedomnetworkusa.org/app/uploads/2024/05/DV-SA-Coalition-Sign-On-opposing-HR7909.pdf
Exactly.

If that were where the bill stopped, it would be almost entirely redundant to current law. Let me repeat: because all of the conduct described here already constitutes a deportable offense, this bill would ensure that no additional dangerous individuals would face immigration consequences. Zero.


Really no point if it doesn't actually change or make the current law better.

Sort of like all the bullshit bathroom bills, that only allowed targeting of trans people and added no actual new illegal activities.
 
There are; hence, the purpose of my post. I'm not defending him, I simply wanted to point out that the DOJ investigated him and did not charge him with a crime.
You'd just call it lawfare if he was. Your cult leader has been charged of multiple crimes and convicted as well yet you still voted for him, so spare me with the faux he wasn't charged with anything BS.
 
DOJ charging Gaetz WOULD NOT BE LAWFARE. I don't call everything lawfare just because a Republican is charged with a crime. If the DOJ felt they had enough evidence to convict him then convict him. I own no stock in Matt.

The NY charges against Trump are text book lawfare and you know it. A lot of you are attorneys and know the civil and criminal cases are BS and were targeted against ONE particular defendant who just happened to be running for President, and will be overturned on appeal by a liberal NY appellate court. Did you watch the oral argument of the civil fraud case? Georgia case will soon be going away as well once the appellate court removes Fani from the case.
 
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