OFFICIAL ELECTION RESULTS - POTUS | TRUMP ELECTED 47th President

[BlooVooDoo]

It doesn't take an economics degree to know whether your situation is better or not. Inflation under biden outpaced wages. Fact.

Hmmm. Got a link for this fact?

 

[CeruleanBlueHeel]

I get it, but I think letting people keep their whole check past the first 40 hours is a good idea. Just my opinion. But I don't feel so strongly about it that I'd be upset if it didn't happen, I guess I'm pretty neutral on it. If it happens, fine, great. But if it doesn't also fine.

No taxes on OT pay would be exploited and abused like Hedge Fund managers did with capital gains tax. Mark it. It's dumb and helps those fixed income zilch.

 

[EhringhausSouth]

No taxes on OT pay would be exploited and abused like Hedge Fund managers did with capital gains tax. Mark it. It's dumb and helps those fixed income zilch.

You might be right about the exploitation, definitely would be some interesting application of it. 100% would not benefit those with fixed income and those ho are salaried.

 

[altmin]

not going to start a new thread, so just will drop this here

Fresh Off Closing Two Studios, Take-Two CEO Expresses Excitement About ‘More Sensible’ FTC Under Trump - Aftermath

It was a rough time to be a guy who makes tens of millions of dollars per year, but things are looking up

aftermath.site

This week, Grand Theft Auto publisher Take-Two – whose CEO, Strauss Zelnick, six months ago denied closing two studios for what could best be described as no apparent reason – confirmed that it closed those two studios. Kerbal Space Program 2 developer Intercept Games and Rollerdrome creator Roll7 Studios are no more. This follows new financial results in which Take-Two also announced the sale of its indie-focused Private Division label to an undisclosed buyer. Anyway, you will not be surprised to learn that Zelnick is thrilled that Trump just got reelected.

Speaking to Variety, Zelnick, whose management company received $43,742,000 in fees and stock options from Take-Two this fiscal year, said he anticipates a “more sensible” Federal Trade Commission under incoming President/fascist cosplayer Donald Trump.

"I think that the President-elect has made it very plain that he believes in reducing regulation,” Zelnick said. “I do believe that the FTC was misguided during President Biden’s term, and I do think that the FTC tried to impede some transactions that were beneficial for both the companies in question and the economy at large, and the FTC lost all those cases since. So I do think that, depending on what the specific topic is, deregulation can be a positive, and I am certainly looking forward to [a] more sensible FTC.”

That’s one way of putting it. Another might be “a toothless FTC,” or a return to a status quo that allowed gargantuan mergers to soar through unimpeded. Under FTC chair Lina Khan, nominated by Biden in 2021, the regulatory body fought to ban non-compete clauses, launched a lawsuit against Amazon, sued healthcare companies engaging in sketchy behavior, and blocked a record number of mergers in an attempt to stem the tide of monopoly power in the United States.

 

[superrific]

Two days out and I'm already pretty much done with the hot takes, the post mortems, and most definitely with the finger pointing. I got most things about this election wrong, but one thing I got right is that the result had been baked for months. I thought it was baked in Kamala's favor by 2-3 percentage points nationally and that would be enough. We now know it was about the same spread in the other direction. My mistake was thinking this was a movement election, when it was always, from Day 1, a change election. The incumbent party has never won when the incumbent's approval ratings were as low as Biden's have been for years. In hindsight, that's the only metric that really mattered.

How do we know this wasn't a movement election (and yes, that includes MAGA -- this election was not an approval of MAGA)? Because despite all the talk, the majority of Americans voted against pretty much all the movements.

• Latinos said they wanted a secure border AND a path to citizenship for law-abiding immigrants already here. The majority of the country, and millions of Latinos, voted for the guy who has promised to round up and deport every person who's not here legally.
• Arab Americans said they wanted an end to the war in Gaza. But the majority of Americans, and a substantial percentage of Arab Americans, voted for the guy who wants to build condos on Gaza's coastline after Israel finishes razing it.
• Young Americans said they wanted student loan relief. But the majority of Americans, and a near majority of young people, voted for the guy who wants to destroy higher education and has no interest whatsoever in providing relief for student loans.
• As much as I hate to say it, even the women and the men who support them who care so deeply about protecting their reproductive freedom did not really carry that through at the ballot box. Most groups of women, with a couple of notable exceptions, actually moved to Trump compared to pre-Dobbs elections.
• Fiscal conservatives said they wanted lower spending and a smaller deficit. But the majority of Americans, and the VAST majority of fiscal conservatives, voted for the guy who economists almost unanimously agree will explode the deficit.
• Most Americans said they wanted lower prices. But the majority of Americans voted for the guy whose tariff scheme will send inflation through the roof, and who made no effort whatsoever to lay out policies that would actually bring prices down (much less without destroying the economy).
• Most Americans said they wanted someone younger. But the majority of Americans voted for the guy who will be 82 at the end of his term, and whose cognitive decline is unmistakeable.
• Most Americans said they wanted someone less divisive and more unifying. But the majority of Americans voted for the guy who is without any doubt the most divisive and least inclusive politician, perhaps in American history, and at least in the last 165 years.

When it comes down to it, none of these movements were nearly as powerful as they made themselves out to be. All that mattered is that the great majority of Americans wanted change. They voted for change. And they don't really care what that change looks like as long as it's change. Now we get to see if the change they voted for is the change they wanted. I have a feeling the answer will be no. And if that's the case, Dems should be able to jump all over it over the next few years.

Last comment -- the one group I feel the most sympathy for is transgendered Americans. Two reasons for that. First, we'll never know, but I have a strong hunch that group voted overwhelmingly for Kamala. They're just too small in numbers to make a difference. Second, we must remember that the first prisoners in most German concentration camps were not Jews. They were Gypsies. On its face, that made no sense. The European Gypsy community was small and did not really affect anyone's daily life. But it was a small group and easily demonized with very few true supporters, and the German fascists therefore found it convenient to use the Gypsies as a test case for the social purification plan they were developing. So it seems to be with transgendered Americans. It's easy to say transgender rights are a losing issue politically, and therefore Dems should throw that community under the bus. From a real politik perspective, I can see the wisdom in that. But I worry the transgender community will prove to be the foot in the door, like the Gypsies, and for that reason alone, I hope we never forget what the right wing apparatus did to them in this election.

Trans kid at my son's high school was bullied and committed suicide yesterday. My wife's trans patients are freaking out.

Here's my question: Trump is likely going to challenge birthright citizenship and my guess is SCOTUS will agree. If a person was born here to foreign parents, and gained citizenship on that basis, and then birthright citizenship is abolished, will they be deportable?

 

[BlueSmoke]

Trans kid at my son's high school was bullied and committed suicide yesterday. My wife's trans patients are freaking out.

Here's my question: Trump is likely going to challenge birthright citizenship and my guess is SCOTUS will agree. If a person was born here to foreign parents, and gained citizenship on that basis, and then birthright citizenship is abolished, will they be deportable?

Once the door is open to taking birth right citizenship away, then its a short step to taking citizenship away from any citizen. Hell no!

Not a direct answer, but I thought this point needs to be made.

 

[superrific]

Once the door is open to taking birth right citizenship away, then its a short step to taking citizenship away from any citizen. Hell no!

Not a direct answer, but I thought this point needs to be made.

Of course it needs to be made. This is why educated people abhor Trump. We know what's coming.

 

[mpaer]

Eastern European porn Stars that get citizenship after marrying a Billionaire are safe I presume

 

[BlueSteel]

You apparently no nothing of the charges he was brought up on. He was targeted as no other person has ever been prosecuted for the same "crimes" even though the statute has been on the books since the 1800s. But since you are such a staunch supporter of all laws, I'm sure you support the law in DC that says it's illegal to have sex in any position other than missionary or in Utah where you can't have sex with an animal for profit but have at it if its not for profit. i mean those are laws just the same as the law trump broke. Somehow i believe you would find a way to compromise your principles for those. And I wholeheartedly believe that when you are targeted by political rivals in an effort to ruin your life that proving it and holding them accountable is justice. There is no blind rage. I have no rage. I have a desire for the truth to come out. Whatever it is.

Truth you say? How ironic that you voted for the candidate who ran his entire campaign on blatant lies and misinformation. Best of luck with that.

 

[superrific]

This is true. As I said before. RBG syndrome and it cost not only the party, but the country dearly. Not being able to read the tea leaves is an insane amount of leadership failure. Not replacing garland at the first inkling of incompetence and hesitancy was also leadership failure. Not stuffing the Supreme Court or persecuting the Supreme Court justices was a leadership failure. At the end of the day, not recognizing that you can’t succeed when you haven’t shored up the decision makers is an epic failure. Hell, Even the republicans understand this concept when they secured the Supreme Court and other key justices. He righted the economy which is no small task, but that was somewhat like conquering new territory while leaving the left flank, the right flank, and the rear exposed to counter attack. But perhaps the ultimate failure, was to not curtail in some way the Russian disinformation campaign. Some way or another. They attacked us not with bombs but rather invaded us with the most creative and effective disinformation campaign in the history of mankind. And we did nothing about it. Nothing effective at any rate.

Biden failed by thinking that acting on historic principles would rejuvenate traditional politics, when in fact it just allowed the extreme right to solidify their position. He gave the other side too much credit thinking they wanted to be honorable . He did not move to crush them when he had the opportunities. He did not have the killer instinct at a time when we needed it. Most certainly there was an enemy within and he failed to lead us against that. He was no George Washington, no FDR, not even close. So a very good president he was, a great president he wasn’t.

(TBH this is not hindsight for me, I was feeling this angst all along)

1. Garland's performance can obviously be questioned, but SCOTUS was never going to let him be tried. If the case came to the Supreme Court, they would probably do the Cannon and dismiss because the special counsel wasn't properly appointed (which he was). It's not Garland's fault. And I know Garland to be a man who thinks ahead. There's a non-zero possibility that he was reluctant to bring a case because he was afraid of the Supreme Court creating a radical form of presidential immunity. Remember: Garland was on the same court as Kavanaugh for a decade, and is intimately familiar with some of the other characters.

2. Hindsight is 20/20. There was no actual reason -- other than age in general -- in 2022 to think that Biden wasn't up to the job. I'm pretty sure if you look at the record, Biden deteriorated after October 6. That was an incredibly stressful situation that doubtlessly required Biden to forgo sleep and relaxation. It took a lot out of him.

3. Not stuffing the Supreme Court was a huge mistake, and I said so at the time. That was my first priority for Dems in Feb 2021. Unfortunately, we had Sinema and Manchin instead of real Dems. They wouldn't vote to break the filibuster, and so any court reform had to be off the table. I have no idea if Biden had any appetite for it either (plenty of evidence to suggest that he didn't) but it didn't matter -- why take on that fight if your own party members are going to tank it?

We could also have passed the John Lewis Voting Rights Act. We could have passed a better infrastructure bill sooner, to create jobs for all these supposedly struggling working class folks who drive new trucks that get 12 mpg. We could have done some tax reform. There were so many things we could have done but for the filibuster and Manchinema. More than Biden, Sinema should be considered a primary villain. She betrayed everyone because she decided she preferred private equity riches to doing her job and representing her constituency

 

[1moretimeagain]

 

[aGDevil2k]

Don't doubt it

We said 4 years ago win, beat Trump and then serve one term only

The ego of politicians is toxic

 

[nycfan]

 

[nycfan]

Glad it wasn’t critical to the outcome, I guess.

 

[BillOfRights]

Fact: The world was a better place during trump 1.0. Spin it anyway you want. Justify it any way you need to but the world was a better place under trump than biden and whoever was really the president.

If you look at what trump inherited from Obama, and what he did with it before he handed it to Biden, and what the world is like today, I'll take Obama and Biden every, single, time. In trump's last year, US GDP dropped 2.2%. US GDP in 2023 was the highest of any G7 country. While trump was in office, the US was setting up refrigerator trucks and digging mass graves to bury all the people who died from Covid. Unemployment spiked at 14.8%. People couldn't work, the economy was in free fall, and nobody could buy toilet paper. Ah, the good ol' days of donald trump.

 

[ZenMode]

It’s too early to know whether Amish voters ‘delivered’ Pennsylvania for Trump, researchers say

New Holland farmer Amos King canvassed on behalf of the Republican Party for the first time this year, helping to mobilize dozens of Amish voters for President-elect Donald Trump.

King, 63, speaks Pennsylvania Dutch and was raised New Order Amish after his family left the Old Order when he was 6. Though he voted by mail because he was traveling on Election Day, he said his family helped shuttle Amish voters to polling locations throughout the day.

“It didn’t matter if it was morning or afternoon, there were just swarms of Amish voters,” King said. “We take Amish people … every election, but there was nothing like it this year.”

King wasn’t alone in making that observation. Some Republican Party organizers and activists claimed in the immediate wake of the election — without much more than anecdotal evidence — that the Amish turned out in droves for Trump, helping cement his victory in Pennsylvania.

But researchers at Elizabethtown College’s Young Center for Anabaptist and Pietist Studies said it’s too early to say definitively whether the Amish, who historically vote in small numbers, set any records this year.

“Were there more Amish voters in Lancaster County than in 2020? Undoubtedly, but we won’t know how many for some time,” said Steven Nolt, a professor of history and Anabaptist studies at Elizabethtown College.

It will take at least several months for Nolt and his team to estimate Amish voter turnout. They do so by comparing names, addresses and birthdays on voter rolls to Amish church directories.

Nolt said it’s difficult to see how the Amish were “decisive in flipping Pennsylvania,” a state Trump won by roughly 139,000 votes, as of Friday. Statewide, the total Amish population is estimated to be less than 93,000.

Yet political organizers like Scott Presler, who led some “stop the steal” efforts following the 2020 election, insist the Amish vote was key to Trump’s win this year.

https://lancasteronline.com/news/politics/it-s-too-early-to-know-whether-amish-voters-delivered-pennsylvania-for-trump-researchers-say/article_f1e36724-9dec-11ef-9b6a-9fb77bfba570.html

 

[ZenMode]

Thought this was moderately interesting:

 

[Callatoroy]

1. Garland's performance can obviously be questioned, but SCOTUS was never going to let him be tried. If the case came to the Supreme Court, they would probably do the Cannon and dismiss because the special counsel wasn't properly appointed (which he was). It's not Garland's fault. And I know Garland to be a man who thinks ahead. There's a non-zero possibility that he was reluctant to bring a case because he was afraid of the Supreme Court creating a radical form of presidential immunity. Remember: Garland was on the same court as Kavanaugh for a decade, and is intimately familiar with some of the other characters.

2. Hindsight is 20/20. There was no actual reason -- other than age in general -- in 2022 to think that Biden wasn't up to the job. I'm pretty sure if you look at the record, Biden deteriorated after October 6. That was an incredibly stressful situation that doubtlessly required Biden to forgo sleep and relaxation. It took a lot out of him.

3. Not stuffing the Supreme Court was a huge mistake, and I said so at the time. That was my first priority for Dems in Feb 2021. Unfortunately, we had Sinema and Manchin instead of real Dems. They wouldn't vote to break the filibuster, and so any court reform had to be off the table. I have no idea if Biden had any appetite for it either (plenty of evidence to suggest that he didn't) but it didn't matter -- why take on that fight if your own party members are going to tank it?

We could also have passed the John Lewis Voting Rights Act. We could have passed a better infrastructure bill sooner, to create jobs for all these supposedly struggling working class folks who drive new trucks that get 12 mpg. We could have done some tax reform. There were so many things we could have done but for the filibuster and Manchinema. More than Biden, Sinema should be considered a primary villain. She betrayed everyone because she decided she preferred private equity riches to doing her job and representing her constituency

rewrite the rules when you don't get your way. The dem way. But I give much credit to biden for not acting that way. Sinema and Manchin were great.

how about the filibuster? Still in favor of it or nah, get rid of it? What is your opinion.

 

[mpaer]

rewrite the rules when you don't get your way. The dem way. But I give much credit to biden for not acting that way. Sinema and Manchin were great.

how about the filibuster? Still in favor of it or nah, get rid of it? What is your opinion.

Personally I have a hard time But since the Pubs ignored 60 votes with SCOTUS-why not

 

[UNCBAdookJD]

rewrite the rules when you don't get your way. The dem way. But I give much credit to biden for not acting that way. Sinema and Manchin were great.

how about the filibuster? Still in favor of it or nah, get rid of it? What is your opinion.

I’d still get rid of it. At least in its current form. If there’s a filibuster at all it should have to be a speaking filibuster. No e-mailing that you’re filibustering. Your ass must be on the floor of the Senate engaging in substantive debate (no phone book reading).