OFFICIAL ELECTION RESULTS - POTUS | TRUMP ELECTED 47th President

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Callatoroy said:
She had more billionaire support than did trump but all anyone seems to care about is Elon. Zuckerberg, soros , both gates, jobs, brin, Lucas, Spielberg, Oprah, Bloomberg, etc. seems like sour grapes to complain about Elon.
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What did Zuckerberg donate to the Harris campaign/PACs?
 
superrific said:
No, he will not. He will only need a Supreme Court decision.
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How are they going to interpret “natural born citizen” to include “naturalized citizen”? They gonna use the Privileges and Immunites Clause?

I just can’t see the three liberals, Roberts, Kav or Barrett going for that. Or for that matter, even the coo-coo three, as it would be a huge affront to their historical textualism.

Of course, who knows who would be on the Court when Elon wants to run. But I think it is more likely you could amend the constitution (it is kind of a dumb rule) than get the Court to amend it for you.

On the presidential immunity case, they were basically free to make up law. There wasn’t constitutional language directly on point. Here, it would be a much bigger reach.
 
SnoopRob said:
You're a much more educated voter than 80% or more of the electorate.

Dems have got to let go of the idea that if the general public just knew what we know, that they'd all understand and vote Dem.

It might be true, but the general public is too stupid, too lazy, and too distracted to become knowledgeable. Instead, Dems are going to have to be able to speak in short phrases and small words about economic issues in a way that resonates with the general public.
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It’s what I call the bumper sticker messaging. Republicans are great at it.
Drill baby drill
Kamala’s for they/them; trumps for you

When you have no policy and aren’t bothered by the truth, messaging gets a lot easier.

Dems have to find a way to boil the policies down to just a few words. Once they’ve done that- repeat them ad-nauseam.
 
Calheel said:
How are they going to interpret “natural born citizen” to include “naturalized citizen”? They gonna use the Privileges and Immunites Clause?

I just can’t see the three liberals, Roberts, Kav or Barrett going for that. Or for that matter, even the coo-coo three, as it would be a huge affront to their historical textualism.

Of course, who knows who would be on the Court when Elon wants to run. But I think it is more likely you could amend the constitution (it is kind of a dumb rule) than get the Court to amend it for you.

On the presidential immunity case, they were basically free to make up law. There wasn’t constitutional language directly on point. Here, it would be a much bigger reach.
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I didn't say he would necessarily get that decision, but that would be the path forward. An amendment would take longer than his political moment.

I've stopped assigning a 0% probability to any right-wing outcome from the Supreme Court. Anything is possible. We are talking about different levels of possibility.

It wasn't only the presidential immunity case where they just made up law. That's basically their MO, now. Equal dignity, major questions, whatever the fuck Bruen is, whatever stupidity caused them to overrule the limitations period on APA challenges that has been commonly understood for almost a century, etc. It's a bigger surprise when they follow the law than when they don't.
 
superrific said:
Yep, there it is, folks. It's all about the economic anxiety. They just didn't like the inflation, you see. If only we reached out to MAGA world to build a center left multiracial coalition of working people.

That you can use the word shit hole to describe American cities is astonishing -- almost as astonishing as your fucking self-righteousness. The shit hole cities are where the wealth is created. Without American cities, the American economy is basically Brazil or Russia.

The reality of the American economy is this: the liberal states create the wealth, and the conservative states take a big cut because of the Senate. And that's OK with me for a number of reasons. It does start to become irritating when the taker states then decide it's the cities that are the problem.
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Yes, Detroit, Oakland, Baltimore, St. Louis, and many more. Shit holes filled with poverty and crime and all dem controlled for years. California is just creating all kinds of wealth. 5th largest economy in the world. And half a trillion dollars in debt equaling a debt ratio of 106% and with a net migration loss due to dem policies. The poor in those areas have been promised the world over decades only to see Lucy pull the ball away again. It’s all changing though.
 
He's Not Here said:
It’s what I call the bumper sticker messaging. Republicans are great at it.
Drill baby drill
Kamala’s for they/them; trumps for you

When you have no policy and aren’t bothered by the truth, messaging gets a lot easier.

Dems have to find a way to boil the policies down to just a few words. Once they’ve done that- repeat them ad-nauseam.
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This. And I would add that we live in the era of comic book movies. Good guys versus bad guys. Liberals aren't programmed to think that way because, well, we matured after adolescence. But that's what we need. Good guys and bad guys.

I mean, we had some messaging like that. I remember when, in American politics, it used to be bad to be a Nazi. Not so much any more. I also remember when people liked vaccines, and campaigning on eliminating them would have been seen as bad. But that was before the economic anxieties of working class people thriving in a prosperous economy just forced them to vote for Trump for reasons unrelated to anything except their own financial situation.
 
He's Not Here said:
It’s what I call the bumper sticker messaging. Republicans are great at it.
Drill baby drill
Kamala’s for they/them; trumps for you

When you have no policy and aren’t bothered by the truth, messaging gets a lot easier.

Dems have to find a way to boil the policies down to just a few words. Once they’ve done that- repeat them ad-nauseam.
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It also helps to have a brash, loud and charismatic person saying them Someone people want to hang out with.
 
Callatoroy said:
Yes, Detroit, Oakland, Baltimore, St. Louis, and many more. Shit holes filled with poverty and crime and all dem controlled for years. California is just creating all kinds of wealth. 5th largest economy in the world. And half a trillion dollars in debt equaling a debt ratio of 106% and with a net migration loss due to dem policies. The poor in those areas have been promised the world over decades only to see Lucy pull the ball away again. It’s all changing though.
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When have you been to any of those cities? Ever? You have no idea what you're talking about but that never stops you.

And the idea that they are "Dem" controlled is ignorant. The Republican strategy in those states has been to run against the black people living in those cities. Detroit didn't go south because of Dems. It went south because the state, ruled by Republicans for a very long time, intentionally sabotaged it. Same with Cleveland and Gary.

Also, what about Dem controlled cities that have prospered? Like Pittsburgh? Or Houston? Or Denver?

This shit gets so exhausting. What you are really saying here is, "I'm a racist whose view of the world is shaped by right-wing propaganda, and thus I am going to spew nonsense about cities I know nothing about, because doing so confirms my beliefs and hatred for black people." That is the intellectual content of your post. That's all. Your factual claims are laughable.
 
superrific said:
This. And I would add that we live in the era of comic book movies. Good guys versus bad guys. Liberals aren't programmed to think that way because, well, we matured after adolescence. But that's what we need. Good guys and bad guys.

I mean, we had some messaging like that. I remember when, in American politics, it used to be bad to be a Nazi. Not so much any more. I also remember when people liked vaccines, and campaigning on eliminating them would have been seen as bad. But that was before the economic anxieties of working class people thriving in a prosperous economy just forced them to vote for Trump for reasons unrelated to anything except their own financial situation.
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Someone earlier said tell stories with a villain. I would add a hero to that- but the point still stands.

Trump’s story simply said, “The economy’s bad - Biden broke it. I’ll fix it.”

Kamala tried to paint Trump as the victim, but didn’t paint herself as the hero and didn’t really fit it into a story.
 
He's Not Here said:
It’s what I call the bumper sticker messaging. Republicans are great at it.
Drill baby drill
Kamala’s for they/them; trumps for you

When you have no policy and aren’t bothered by the truth, messaging gets a lot easier.

Dems have to find a way to boil the policies down to just a few words. Once they’ve done that- repeat them ad-nauseam.
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Yes

GQPers are very good at messaging
Dems are horrible at messaging

GQPers are horrible at governing
Dems are very good at governing

Unfortunately, we live in a country that values messaging over governing...
 
He's Not Here said:
Someone earlier said tell stories with a villain. I would add a hero to that- but the point still stands.

Trump’s story simply said, “The economy’s bad - Biden broke it. I’ll fix it.”
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Well, hero was implied but you are correct.

Except that wasn't Trump's story. I can't understand why people are just looking past . . . well, everything the Trump campaign said and did. The villains in Trump's story are dark skinned people with ties to other countries, and the liberals who let them in to do Great Replacement stuff.

And "they." "They" is quite possible the most important and certainly the most powerful villain in Trump's narrative. You can never forget about "they." "They" are real bastards.
 
heelinhell said:
Yes

GQPers are very good at messaging
Dems are horrible at messaging

GQPers are horrible at governing
Dems are very good at governing

Unfortunately, we live in a country that values messaging over governing...
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Messaging and how to do it is a complicated subject, but when done well it is simplified as much as possible.

But to add to your comments: Let's suppose there are two companies in the market selling the same product. One company, the Dems are really bad at messaging. So if you are in charge of messaging for the other company, the GOP then what do you do? Or how complicated do you need to make it?
 
Callatoroy said:
Yes, Detroit, Oakland, Baltimore, St. Louis, and many more. Shit holes filled with poverty and crime and all dem controlled for years. California is just creating all kinds of wealth. 5th largest economy in the world. And half a trillion dollars in debt equaling a debt ratio of 106% and with a net migration loss due to dem policies. The poor in those areas have been promised the world over decades only to see Lucy pull the ball away again. It’s all changing though.
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GQNC said:
All jokes aside, my politics are closer to “democratic communist” than Democrat or Republican.

Not KraftyHeel, but you did post this ^ in another thread.
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The context of that is in me jokingly saying I would join the “radical communist Democrat party” after Trump made some kind of remark about that.

On a scale, my politics are closer to communist on a left/right scale than they would be to the average Dem or Republican.

I’m for things like worker co-ops and public production of certain vital products.
 
I find it interesting that when Trump and MAGA lost or challenged, mainstream media was called "fake news." Now the Dems git crushed across the board and everyone is blaming the media.

I know, I know, any firm of not towing one side party line is "bo-siding" but I am just stating the obvious here.

The next line of rebuke is the "false equivalency." Yes I know, nobody has posted the media is the enemy of the people here. But goodness, it's only been a month or so of media scapegoating so far.
 
lightbluenc said:
I think this needs to alarm a lot of us, that the news coverage a good portion of us consume is not being as straightforward as we need it to be. They harped on all those things Scott Jennings said, and it made us feel like the entire country thought the same thing. We need waaaay less sensational news and more direct reporting out of the major networks we get news from.
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I'm just going to stop consuming news from places like CNN when they continue to give people like Scott Jennings a platform.
 
superrific said:
This. And I would add that we live in the era of comic book movies. Good guys versus bad guys. Liberals aren't programmed to think that way because, well, we matured after adolescence. But that's what we need. Good guys and bad guys.

I mean, we had some messaging like that. I remember when, in American politics, it used to be bad to be a Nazi. Not so much any more. I also remember when people liked vaccines, and campaigning on eliminating them would have been seen as bad. But that was before the economic anxieties of working class people thriving in a prosperous economy just forced them to vote for Trump for reasons unrelated to anything except their own financial situation.
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What you guys don’t understand is that nobody outside of your bubble mates takes your name calling seriously anymore. You have so misused and over used them that it is almost meme-like. Disagree with open borders = racist. Don’t agree with Harris (Obama) = racist and misogynist. Support trump = fascist, nazi, misogynist. Nobody gives a fuck anymore about your overdramatized name calling. It serves nothing but creating hatred towards your cause. You are dismissed as not serious and unintelligent. Every time a national news personality, politician, or celebrity called trump a fascist I bet you lost voters. You guys who do that are overly dramatic and pathetic. By all means keep it up though because it seems to work wonders for republicans in national elections.
 
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