OFFICIAL ELECTION RESULTS - POTUS | TRUMP ELECTED 47th President

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Callatoroy said:
You apparently no nothing of the charges he was brought up on. He was targeted as no other person has ever been prosecuted for the same "crimes" even though the statute has been on the books since the 1800s. But since you are such a staunch supporter of all laws, I'm sure you support the law in DC that says it's illegal to have sex in any position other than missionary or in Utah where you can't have sex with an animal for profit but have at it if its not for profit. i mean those are laws just the same as the law trump broke. Somehow i believe you would find a way to compromise your principles for those. And I wholeheartedly believe that when you are targeted by political rivals in an effort to ruin your life that proving it and holding them accountable is justice. There is no blind rage. I have no rage. I have a desire for the truth to come out. Whatever it is.
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Truth you say? How ironic that you voted for the candidate who ran his entire campaign on blatant lies and misinformation. Best of luck with that.
 
Awinisawin said:
This is true. As I said before. RBG syndrome and it cost not only the party, but the country dearly. Not being able to read the tea leaves is an insane amount of leadership failure. Not replacing garland at the first inkling of incompetence and hesitancy was also leadership failure. Not stuffing the Supreme Court or persecuting the Supreme Court justices was a leadership failure. At the end of the day, not recognizing that you can’t succeed when you haven’t shored up the decision makers is an epic failure. Hell, Even the republicans understand this concept when they secured the Supreme Court and other key justices. He righted the economy which is no small task, but that was somewhat like conquering new territory while leaving the left flank, the right flank, and the rear exposed to counter attack. But perhaps the ultimate failure, was to not curtail in some way the Russian disinformation campaign. Some way or another. They attacked us not with bombs but rather invaded us with the most creative and effective disinformation campaign in the history of mankind. And we did nothing about it. Nothing effective at any rate.

Biden failed by thinking that acting on historic principles would rejuvenate traditional politics, when in fact it just allowed the extreme right to solidify their position. He gave the other side too much credit thinking they wanted to be honorable . He did not move to crush them when he had the opportunities. He did not have the killer instinct at a time when we needed it. Most certainly there was an enemy within and he failed to lead us against that. He was no George Washington, no FDR, not even close. So a very good president he was, a great president he wasn’t.

(TBH this is not hindsight for me, I was feeling this angst all along)
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1. Garland's performance can obviously be questioned, but SCOTUS was never going to let him be tried. If the case came to the Supreme Court, they would probably do the Cannon and dismiss because the special counsel wasn't properly appointed (which he was). It's not Garland's fault. And I know Garland to be a man who thinks ahead. There's a non-zero possibility that he was reluctant to bring a case because he was afraid of the Supreme Court creating a radical form of presidential immunity. Remember: Garland was on the same court as Kavanaugh for a decade, and is intimately familiar with some of the other characters.

2. Hindsight is 20/20. There was no actual reason -- other than age in general -- in 2022 to think that Biden wasn't up to the job. I'm pretty sure if you look at the record, Biden deteriorated after October 6. That was an incredibly stressful situation that doubtlessly required Biden to forgo sleep and relaxation. It took a lot out of him.

3. Not stuffing the Supreme Court was a huge mistake, and I said so at the time. That was my first priority for Dems in Feb 2021. Unfortunately, we had Sinema and Manchin instead of real Dems. They wouldn't vote to break the filibuster, and so any court reform had to be off the table. I have no idea if Biden had any appetite for it either (plenty of evidence to suggest that he didn't) but it didn't matter -- why take on that fight if your own party members are going to tank it?

We could also have passed the John Lewis Voting Rights Act. We could have passed a better infrastructure bill sooner, to create jobs for all these supposedly struggling working class folks who drive new trucks that get 12 mpg. We could have done some tax reform. There were so many things we could have done but for the filibuster and Manchinema. More than Biden, Sinema should be considered a primary villain. She betrayed everyone because she decided she preferred private equity riches to doing her job and representing her constituency
 
Callatoroy said:
Fact: The world was a better place during trump 1.0. Spin it anyway you want. Justify it any way you need to but the world was a better place under trump than biden and whoever was really the president.
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If you look at what trump inherited from Obama, and what he did with it before he handed it to Biden, and what the world is like today, I'll take Obama and Biden every, single, time. In trump's last year, US GDP dropped 2.2%. US GDP in 2023 was the highest of any G7 country. While trump was in office, the US was setting up refrigerator trucks and digging mass graves to bury all the people who died from Covid. Unemployment spiked at 14.8%. People couldn't work, the economy was in free fall, and nobody could buy toilet paper. Ah, the good ol' days of donald trump.
 
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It’s too early to know whether Amish voters ‘delivered’ Pennsylvania for Trump, researchers say

New Holland farmer Amos King canvassed on behalf of the Republican Party for the first time this year, helping to mobilize dozens of Amish voters for President-elect Donald Trump.

King, 63, speaks Pennsylvania Dutch and was raised New Order Amish after his family left the Old Order when he was 6. Though he voted by mail because he was traveling on Election Day, he said his family helped shuttle Amish voters to polling locations throughout the day.

“It didn’t matter if it was morning or afternoon, there were just swarms of Amish voters,” King said. “We take Amish people … every election, but there was nothing like it this year.”

King wasn’t alone in making that observation. Some Republican Party organizers and activists claimed in the immediate wake of the election — without much more than anecdotal evidence — that the Amish turned out in droves for Trump, helping cement his victory in Pennsylvania.

But researchers at Elizabethtown College’s Young Center for Anabaptist and Pietist Studies said it’s too early to say definitively whether the Amish, who historically vote in small numbers, set any records this year.

“Were there more Amish voters in Lancaster County than in 2020? Undoubtedly, but we won’t know how many for some time,” said Steven Nolt, a professor of history and Anabaptist studies at Elizabethtown College.

It will take at least several months for Nolt and his team to estimate Amish voter turnout. They do so by comparing names, addresses and birthdays on voter rolls to Amish church directories.

Nolt said it’s difficult to see how the Amish were “decisive in flipping Pennsylvania,” a state Trump won by roughly 139,000 votes, as of Friday. Statewide, the total Amish population is estimated to be less than 93,000.

Yet political organizers like Scott Presler, who led some “stop the steal” efforts following the 2020 election, insist the Amish vote was key to Trump’s win this year.

 
superrific said:
1. Garland's performance can obviously be questioned, but SCOTUS was never going to let him be tried. If the case came to the Supreme Court, they would probably do the Cannon and dismiss because the special counsel wasn't properly appointed (which he was). It's not Garland's fault. And I know Garland to be a man who thinks ahead. There's a non-zero possibility that he was reluctant to bring a case because he was afraid of the Supreme Court creating a radical form of presidential immunity. Remember: Garland was on the same court as Kavanaugh for a decade, and is intimately familiar with some of the other characters.

2. Hindsight is 20/20. There was no actual reason -- other than age in general -- in 2022 to think that Biden wasn't up to the job. I'm pretty sure if you look at the record, Biden deteriorated after October 6. That was an incredibly stressful situation that doubtlessly required Biden to forgo sleep and relaxation. It took a lot out of him.

3. Not stuffing the Supreme Court was a huge mistake, and I said so at the time. That was my first priority for Dems in Feb 2021. Unfortunately, we had Sinema and Manchin instead of real Dems. They wouldn't vote to break the filibuster, and so any court reform had to be off the table. I have no idea if Biden had any appetite for it either (plenty of evidence to suggest that he didn't) but it didn't matter -- why take on that fight if your own party members are going to tank it?

We could also have passed the John Lewis Voting Rights Act. We could have passed a better infrastructure bill sooner, to create jobs for all these supposedly struggling working class folks who drive new trucks that get 12 mpg. We could have done some tax reform. There were so many things we could have done but for the filibuster and Manchinema. More than Biden, Sinema should be considered a primary villain. She betrayed everyone because she decided she preferred private equity riches to doing her job and representing her constituency
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rewrite the rules when you don't get your way. The dem way. But I give much credit to biden for not acting that way. Sinema and Manchin were great.

how about the filibuster? Still in favor of it or nah, get rid of it? What is your opinion.
 
Callatoroy said:
rewrite the rules when you don't get your way. The dem way. But I give much credit to biden for not acting that way. Sinema and Manchin were great.

how about the filibuster? Still in favor of it or nah, get rid of it? What is your opinion.
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Personally I have a hard time But since the Pubs ignored 60 votes with SCOTUS-why not
 
Callatoroy said:
rewrite the rules when you don't get your way. The dem way. But I give much credit to biden for not acting that way. Sinema and Manchin were great.

how about the filibuster? Still in favor of it or nah, get rid of it? What is your opinion.
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I’d still get rid of it. At least in its current form. If there’s a filibuster at all it should have to be a speaking filibuster. No e-mailing that you’re filibustering. Your ass must be on the floor of the Senate engaging in substantive debate (no phone book reading).
 
UNCBAdookJD said:
I’d still get rid of it. At least in its current form. If there’s a filibuster at all it should have to be a speaking filibuster. No e-mailing that you’re filibustering. Your ass must be on the floor of the Senate engaging in substantive debate (no phone book reading).
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This. Trump and the GOP should have the ability to demonstrate exactly how terrible they are and how their ideas will play out in practice.

Probably worth at least preserving the possibility of a speaking filibuster in case of emergencies, like the Republicans trying to raise the president's salary to $10B a year.
 
BillOfRights said:
If you look at what trump inherited from Obama, and what he did with it before he handed it to Biden, and what the world is like today, I'll take Obama and Biden every, single, time. In trump's last year, US GDP dropped 2.2%. US GDP in 2023 was the highest of any G7 country. While trump was in office, the US was setting up refrigerator trucks and digging mass graves to bury all the people who died from Covid. Unemployment spiked at 14.8%. People couldn't work, the economy was in free fall, and nobody could buy toilet paper. Ah, the good ol' days of donald trump.
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Yes I know joe would have done so much better with a pandemic that nobody knew anything about. Could you have imagined how long it would have taken biden to get the vaccine produced. We might still be waiting on it.
 
UNCBAdookJD said:
I’d still get rid of it. At least in its current form. If there’s a filibuster at all it should have to be a speaking filibuster. No e-mailing that you’re filibustering. Your ass must be on the floor of the Senate engaging in substantive debate (no phone book reading).
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either filibuster or no filibuster (regardless of form)? yes or no
 
Callatoroy said:
Yes I know joe would have done so much better with a pandemic that nobody knew anything about. Could you have imagined how long it would have taken biden to get the vaccine produced. We might still be waiting on it.
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It's comical you think the vaccine timeline was impacted in any way by Trump (positively or negatively).
 
mpaer said:
Personally I have a hard time But since the Pubs ignored 60 votes with SCOTUS-why not
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Reid was the first to ignore it. That set the precedent. It to me is sacred. To much damage can be done and it just creates further divide. Its there for a reason and imo that reason is very sound and forward thinking. I am very grateful to Sinema and Manchin. If you are that worried about trump I can't see how you would be in favor of him passing anything on a simple majority.
 
superrific said:
This. Trump and the GOP should have the ability to demonstrate exactly how terrible they are and how their ideas will play out in practice.

Probably worth at least preserving the possibility of a speaking filibuster in case of emergencies, like the Republicans trying to raise the president's salary to $10B a year.
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Sounds like you want things to go as badly as they can just so you can say i told you so.
 
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