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last week the board decided to pile on me for some reasomn. i got exceedingly frustrated and broke fingers in my left hand punching a wall. i cant type well and voice recognition works poorly for me because i cant pronounce one letter correctly. i am adding this only because people are so eager to judge people they dont know. its all fund and games until someone gets hurt.

*here are some things that people maybe dont know about me, first, i am autistic but never diagnosed and have only come recently to that realization. its one reason prob that i miss a lot of social nuance. i also dont get memes involving faces or emojis though the latter are most often used to insult me so i dont pay much attention.

*my sociali development as a young child was set back by being abused by family, and being excluded from social activities due to being pushed ahead three grades. also the teachers used to openly mock me in class because they thought it was fun to boost their standing with kids by making fun of the same people the kids did.

*i am naturally inclined toward homosexuality. but i cant possibly be gay because i have no idea hoow to do that, esp when i was younger. i can barely navigate the most common social situations. plus ive seen from friends and family life as a gay man is full of pain and rejection and i cant take that. plus i am not very good looking but i can be charming with women. so i decided a while back that my best bet was to get so good at sex that no woman in her right mind would want to leave me. i have succeeded and its the only accomplishment i am proud of. i enjoy giving my wife hours of pleasure until she is pudding on the bed and cant really move, but i dont get much personal fulfillment. i have to take care of myself.

*i have been open about my mental health struggles. what people dont know is that psych meds often lose effectiveness over time. they dont just stop working,. they just do less and it is hard to notice. i thought i was super stressed and off kilter because of election. i now think my meds were also wearing off and i didnt realize it because i thought it was just fear of fascism. i have been in therapy, but there is only so much that can do.

*what people do know about me is that i am intelligent, whether threy want to admit it or not. my iq is in the 150s. that is an objective fact in the universe. i cant make that go away. for most people that is the end of the story, i am full of myself and thus deserving of scorn. for me it is just the beginning. it doesnt make me superior as a person to have this talent (and it pretty much my onlty one, unless you count inadvertently alienating people). i still have to get by in the world. it is both blessing and curse. i dont claim to manage it perfectly or even well. i do my best.

here is an example. when i was in geometry class, the teacher used to explain problems by making fun of me. explaining the concept of triangles having the same ratio of sides even if the side length is different, he said its like if [super] built a shrink ray and shrank everyones pizza slices. they would be less filling but they would all add up to a circle. i finallty got sick of it and said that he didnt have to bring me into every explanation. he said that i i got 100 on everything anyway so i should learn to have a sense of humor. i told him in these words that he was a fucking dickhead who liked other dicks. it was homophobic but i was 10 and i didnt care. i got sent to the principals office and then i did every day until finally the principal wanted to know what happened. it had happened with other teachers but this was the worst. i told him that i was going to do it every single day until they just gave me the final exam and let me get out of class in jan. i aced it. the teacher was fired over the summer. nobody ever apologized to me.

so i took it on myself not to let that happen to me anymore. the next fall and throughout hs, i made it a point near the beginning of every class to call out the teachers when they would make mistakes. there are teachers here. y'all dont know how many mistakes you make. at least mine didnt. and then i would tell them that if they tried to humiliate me like mr. f, then i would humiliate them in return by exposing how stupid they were. it worked. blessing and curse. it was not the best way to handle it maybe but i was 11 and was dealing with that bullshit by myself.

*my dad used to punish me as a young boy by driving me somewhere miles from home, making me get out of the car and driving away. find your own way home. it was usually in a police car. but when the cop asked me where i went to school and i referred to the middle school at age 8, his attitude changed. i didnt need much protection i guess because i was smart. he told my dad that it wasnt the right thing to do even though i would be able to find my way home. no charges though. so it was up to me. in the car i took some of my dads business cards and when i got out i started hurling rocks through every store window around, and then put my dads card inside. told him it was going to cost him all that money everytime he did that. he stopped doing it and reverted to plain ole physical violence. but he was slow and fat and most of the time he could not catch me. sometimes i got pummeled but i preferred it to being abandoned. blessing and curse.

*so in the end i guess i come across as arrogrant. enouigh people tell me that. i do the best i can. at some point it is too exhausting to try to be someone else -- for instance by getting Bs which was an unsuccessful strategy for dealing with my teachers, or pretending not to understand health economics. so i am me, the best version of me that i can be, i am actually a good person i think but i am a repressed gay (or maybe trans adjacent) autistic dude with a history of abuse and other incidents nobody wants to hear about. nobody wanted to hear the above stuff either but i have to pad my post somehow to get it to proper super length.

i am not planning on posting here. typing is a problem. so is the fact that i have no desire to hang out where so many people clearly loathe me. so i will solve your super ignore problems for you.

but for the sake of decency, people -- especially progressives or liberals -- need to stop punching down on others. that is my message here. stop punching down. and since you might not know who is up or down, if you dont know them or what formed them, maybe stop punching. and if you want to deflecty responsibility by saying that i do it too, i dont care. i dont pick fights but i react to them. maybe i do more than that and dont realize it. regardless whether or not i am a hypocrite does not make your behavior ok.
I’m glad to see you drop by and am sorry you are struggling. I also hope you saw my response to your DM last week. In any event, you are valued and welcome here but please take whatever time you need away of participating here is unhealthy for you. We’ll keep a light on for you.




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You serious, bra?

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The first time I ever saw Vincent Cassel, I thought of that exact Van Gogh.

But yes, I was serious. Some may find super to be annoying, but at least he's not a belligerent, antagonistic Trumper cunt and it should be a simple matter to just ignore him if he's not your cup of tea.

Can I say "belligerent, antagonistic Trumper cunt" on the decorum thread?
 
I feel ya.
And all of this (especially your main point of quit punching down, and if you’re not sure which way you’re punching, just stop it altogether) is why my favorite saying, found as graffiti scrawled on a stone wall in Strasbourg, is: “Go ahead, draw your petty conclusions.”

Everybody’s got their opinions and assumptions. And we’re all going to draw our own, petty conclusions. But as has been stated on this board many times and many places, we’re all free to assume our own positions on the issues, but we’re not free to create our own facts. Although We do indeed create our own “facts”, but that doesn’t mean they’re truthful, and sincerely and empirically factual.

So we debate about it all on an anonymous message board. The key to it all flowing in a direction which makes any sense for even being here, is found in the OP. Decency. Decorum. Utilize a demeanor slightly less than being a total arseling. Being a bit abrasive or demanding at times has a place. But at the end of the day remember that opinions are like assholes.

Or is it, everybody with an opinion unlike mine is an asshole?

Choose your battles, and not every battle you choose needs to be a war.
"we’re all free to assume our own positions on the issues"

We really aren't, but that's a different discussion.

"but we’re not free to create our own facts."

The obvious question is where do "facts" come from? Who or what is the ultimate arbiter of truth and why?
 
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"we’re all free to assume our own positions on the issues"

We really aren't, but that a different discussion.

"but we’re not free to create our own facts."

The obvious question is where do "facts" come from? Who or what is the ultimate arbiter of truth and why?
Clearly, Fox News is the ultimate arbiter of truth, and the reasons for this should be obvious. ;)
 
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last week the board decided to pile on me for some reasomn. i got exceedingly frustrated and broke fingers in my left hand punching a wall. i cant type well and voice recognition works poorly for me because i cant pronounce one letter correctly. i am adding this only because people are so eager to judge people they dont know. its all fund and games until someone gets hurt.

*here are some things that people maybe dont know about me, first, i am autistic but never diagnosed and have only come recently to that realization. its one reason prob that i miss a lot of social nuance. i also dont get memes involving faces or emojis though the latter are most often used to insult me so i dont pay much attention.

*my sociali development as a young child was set back by being abused by family, and being excluded from social activities due to being pushed ahead three grades. also the teachers used to openly mock me in class because they thought it was fun to boost their standing with kids by making fun of the same people the kids did.

*i am naturally inclined toward homosexuality. but i cant possibly be gay because i have no idea hoow to do that, esp when i was younger. i can barely navigate the most common social situations. plus ive seen from friends and family life as a gay man is full of pain and rejection and i cant take that. plus i am not very good looking but i can be charming with women. so i decided a while back that my best bet was to get so good at sex that no woman in her right mind would want to leave me. i have succeeded and its the only accomplishment i am proud of. i enjoy giving my wife hours of pleasure until she is pudding on the bed and cant really move, but i dont get much personal fulfillment. i have to take care of myself.

*i have been open about my mental health struggles. what people dont know is that psych meds often lose effectiveness over time. they dont just stop working,. they just do less and it is hard to notice. i thought i was super stressed and off kilter because of election. i now think my meds were also wearing off and i didnt realize it because i thought it was just fear of fascism. i have been in therapy, but there is only so much that can do.

*what people do know about me is that i am intelligent, whether threy want to admit it or not. my iq is in the 150s. that is an objective fact in the universe. i cant make that go away. for most people that is the end of the story, i am full of myself and thus deserving of scorn. for me it is just the beginning. it doesnt make me superior as a person to have this talent (and it pretty much my onlty one, unless you count inadvertently alienating people). i still have to get by in the world. it is both blessing and curse. i dont claim to manage it perfectly or even well. i do my best.

here is an example. when i was in geometry class, the teacher used to explain problems by making fun of me. explaining the concept of triangles having the same ratio of sides even if the side length is different, he said its like if [super] built a shrink ray and shrank everyones pizza slices. they would be less filling but they would all add up to a circle. i finallty got sick of it and said that he didnt have to bring me into every explanation. he said that i i got 100 on everything anyway so i should learn to have a sense of humor. i told him in these words that he was a fucking dickhead who liked other dicks. it was homophobic but i was 10 and i didnt care. i got sent to the principals office and then i did every day until finally the principal wanted to know what happened. it had happened with other teachers but this was the worst. i told him that i was going to do it every single day until they just gave me the final exam and let me get out of class in jan. i aced it. the teacher was fired over the summer. nobody ever apologized to me.

so i took it on myself not to let that happen to me anymore. the next fall and throughout hs, i made it a point near the beginning of every class to call out the teachers when they would make mistakes. there are teachers here. y'all dont know how many mistakes you make. at least mine didnt. and then i would tell them that if they tried to humiliate me like mr. f, then i would humiliate them in return by exposing how stupid they were. it worked. blessing and curse. it was not the best way to handle it maybe but i was 11 and was dealing with that bullshit by myself.

*my dad used to punish me as a young boy by driving me somewhere miles from home, making me get out of the car and driving away. find your own way home. it was usually in a police car. but when the cop asked me where i went to school and i referred to the middle school at age 8, his attitude changed. i didnt need much protection i guess because i was smart. he told my dad that it wasnt the right thing to do even though i would be able to find my way home. no charges though. so it was up to me. in the car i took some of my dads business cards and when i got out i started hurling rocks through every store window around, and then put my dads card inside. told him it was going to cost him all that money everytime he did that. he stopped doing it and reverted to plain ole physical violence. but he was slow and fat and most of the time he could not catch me. sometimes i got pummeled but i preferred it to being abandoned. blessing and curse.

*so in the end i guess i come across as arrogrant. enouigh people tell me that. i do the best i can. at some point it is too exhausting to try to be someone else -- for instance by getting Bs which was an unsuccessful strategy for dealing with my teachers, or pretending not to understand health economics. so i am me, the best version of me that i can be, i am actually a good person i think but i am a repressed gay (or maybe trans adjacent) autistic dude with a history of abuse and other incidents nobody wants to hear about. nobody wanted to hear the above stuff either but i have to pad my post somehow to get it to proper super length.

i am not planning on posting here. typing is a problem. so is the fact that i have no desire to hang out where so many people clearly loathe me. so i will solve your super ignore problems for you.

but for the sake of decency, people -- especially progressives or liberals -- need to stop punching down on others. that is my message here. stop punching down. and since you might not know who is up or down, if you dont know them or what formed them, maybe stop punching. and if you want to deflecty responsibility by saying that i do it too, i dont care. i dont pick fights but i react to them. maybe i do more than that and dont realize it. regardless whether or not i am a hypocrite does not make your behavior ok.
Damn, super.

The hand is a minor issue. I hope you are able to find happiness and be at peace with yourself.
 
"we’re all free to assume our own positions on the issues"

We really aren't, but that's a different discussion.

"but we’re not free to create our own facts."

The obvious question is where do "facts" come from? Who or what is the ultimate arbiter of truth and why?
Actually we can and do make our own assumptions, and we are free to do so. There may be consequences and repercussions in so doing, but the opportunities are there to draw our own, petty, conclusions. I’ve drawn mine. And so have you.

“Facts” come from evidence thereof. Evidence which is beyond reproach. Scientists and researchers try to use empirical evidence. When 99% of these folks reach a conclusion of “fact” it is widely accepted as the truth, as it should be.

Arbiters are we the people. We the people hold these truths to be self-evident… we the people hold these empirically derived facts to be true… and it should be self-evident.

My conclusions about all of this are petty, and hold no weight. But I’m free to draw them. The consequences I may suffer in so doing could possibly include a response from you, sharing your own petty conclusions.
 
Actually we can and do make our own assumptions, and we are free to do so. There may be consequences and repercussions in so doing, but the opportunities are there to draw our own, petty, conclusions. I’ve drawn mine. And so have you.

“Facts” come from evidence thereof. Evidence which is beyond reproach. Scientists and researchers try to use empirical evidence. When 99% of these folks reach a conclusion of “fact” it is widely accepted as the truth, as it should be.

Arbiters are we the people. We the people hold these truths to be self-evident… we the people hold these empirically derived facts to be true… and it should be self-evident.

My conclusions about all of this are petty, and hold no weight. But I’m free to draw them. The consequences I may suffer in so doing could possibly include a response from you, sharing your own petty conclusions.
Speculations. If he ever actually came to a conclusion, he'd have to defend it. Well, should be willing to defend it, I should say.
 
Actually we can and do make our own assumptions, and we are free to do so. There may be consequences and repercussions in so doing, but the opportunities are there to draw our own, petty, conclusions. I’ve drawn mine. And so have you.

“Facts” come from evidence thereof. Evidence which is beyond reproach. Scientists and researchers try to use empirical evidence. When 99% of these folks reach a conclusion of “fact” it is widely accepted as the truth, as it should be.

Arbiters are we the people. We the people hold these truths to be self-evident… we the people hold these empirically derived facts to be true… and it should be self-evident.

My conclusions about all of this are petty, and hold no weight. But I’m free to draw them. The consequences I may suffer in so doing could possibly include a response from you, sharing your own petty conclusions.
I agree that there are facts. 2 + 2 = 4. A water molecule is 2 Hydrogens and 1 Oxygen. The problem is, 99.999% of political topics are either opinion based (abortion) or don't have anything close to the level of transparent and obvious truth of math and science.

In the cases where we aren't solving an equation and don't have first hand experience, we have to rely on a person or, in most cases, a chain of people for information and facts. Who are those people that we trust, absolutely, to provide facts?
 
What's this absolutely stuff? There's no such thing. There's only the best we can determine with our current state of knowledge. You're erecting virtual strawmen now.
I'm contrasting the claim of availability of "facts" in math/science with almost everything we discuss here.

When the statement is made that "we aren't free to make up our own facts", what does that mean in a non-scientific/non-mathematical/non-first person experience context?
 
I'm contrasting the claim of availability of "facts" in math/science with almost everything we discuss here.

When the statement is made that "we aren't free to make up our own facts", what does that mean in a non-scientific/non-mathematical/non-first person experience context?
cincydog? That you? 😁
 
I'm contrasting the claim of availability of "facts" in math/science with almost everything we discuss here.

When the statement is made that "we aren't free to make up our own facts", what does that mean in a non-scientific/non-mathematical/non-first person experience context?
That doesn't apply to science, only math. Science is best available knowledge just like everything else.
 
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