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The Democrats could have repurposed their hurricane creator machine into a “Perfect Candidate That Pleases Even the Most Ridiculous Bo-Sider” creator machine, and that machine could have spit out a candidate that was a hybrid of JFK, Barack Obama, FDR, and Bill Clinton, and we would still have bad-faith both-sidesers complaining about candidate quality.
 
CFordUNC said:
The Democrats could have repurposed their hurricane creator machine into a “Perfect Candidate That Pleases Even the Most Ridiculous Bo-Sider” creator machine, and that machine could have spit out a candidate that was a hybrid of JFK, Barack Obama, FDR, and Bill Clinton, and we would still have bad-faith both-sidesers complaining about candidate quality.
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Can you honestly say that Kamala was the best choice or even your first choice?
 
ZenMode said:
Can you honestly say that Kamala was the best choice or even your first choice?
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Yes, I can honestly say that Kamala Harris was the best choice at very particular point in time at which she assumed the top of the ticket- as is evidenced by what a smooth and flawless transition it was, the unprecedented fundraising success that it created, and the manner in which the Democratic national convention was a resounding success.

I can also honestly she was not my top choice, not in 2019 nor in 2024, until I saw her actually get out on the campaign trail as the leader of the ticket and blow everything and everyone out of the water in a short period of time.

Which Democratic candidate would’ve been your top choice to replace Biden?
 
ZenMode said:
Can you honestly say that Kamala was the best choice or even your first choice?
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I can honestly say that Kamala was always the smartest, safest choice, and was therefore my first choice. I can also honestly say she has exceeded my expectations in every possible way, and if a primary of all the potential Dem candidates were held today, I would vote for her with zero reservations.
 
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That may be true. You’re probably right. But I find libertarianism just as foolish and reprehensible as I find MAGA.
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I hear you. I am very much not a fan of libertarians.

However, in a world where MAGA is talking openly about weaponizing law enforcement against enemies (anyone who tries to whatabout this and talk about Trump's prosecution will go on super ignore), there's really no comparison. Libertarians, if they stay true to their principles (which they are reasonably good at in my experience, though their principles don't ask much of them personally), would never do that.
 
CFordUNC said:
Yes, I can honestly say that Kamala Harris was the best choice at very particular point in time at which she assumed the top of the ticket- as is evidenced by what a smooth and flawless transition it was, the unprecedented fundraising success that it created, and the manner in which the Democratic national convention was a resounding success.

I can also honestly she was not my top choice, not in 2019 nor in 2024, until I saw her actually get out on the campaign trail as the leader of the ticket and blow everything and everyone out of the water in a short period of time.

Which Democratic candidate would’ve been your top choice to replace Biden?
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I agree Harris was better than Biden if only because she's cognitively "there" and has not exceeded the average life expectancy for her gender. I think it was a smooth transition because of a desire to rally behind anyone that was going against Trump and hadn't proven themselves unfit. Any rocking of the boat or creating of doubt would hurt the ultimate goal. Same with the money aspect.

One of the most important qualities you want in a leader is the ability to communicate, not only domestically but internationally. Reagan was a great communicator. Clinton was great at it. Obama was great at it. Kamala is not great at it. She doesn't speak well off the cuff. She isn't charismatic and often isn't even clear.

I didn't really have a personal preference. It was more about who I thought Dems should have picked to have a best chance to beat Trump.
 
ZenMode said:
I agree Harris was better than Biden if only because she's cognitively "there" and has not exceeded the average life expectancy for her gender. I think it was a smooth transition because of a desire to rally behind anyone that was going against Trump and hadn't proven themselves unfit. Same with the money aspect.

One of the most important qualities you want in a leader is the ability to communicate, not only with domestically, but internationally. Reagan was a great communicator. Clinton was great at it. Obama was great at it. Kamala is not great at it. She doesn't speak well off the cuff. She isn't charismatic and often isn't even clear.

I didn't really have a personal preference. It was more about who I thought Dems should have picked to have a best chance to beat Trump.
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Serious question, have you watched Kamala since she became the nominee? Have you listened to the long list of off the cuff interviews she's now done? Maybe you have and you still don't think she's a good speaker (???), but most people who have that view are basing it on some bad interviews from 2021, and not on what she's done in the last 2+ years. I communicate for a living, and in my view, she's WAY above average.
 
lawtig02 said:
Serious question, have you watched Kamala since she became the nominee? Have you listened to the long list of off the cuff interviews she's now done? Maybe you have and you still don't think she's a good speaker (???), but most people who have that view are basing it on some bad interviews from 2021, and not on what she's done in the last 2+ years. I communicate for a living, and in my view, she's WAY above average.
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I haven't watched a lot because I knew I wouldn't be voting for her. My neighbors (hardcore never Trumpers) invited my wife and I to a debate watch party, so I watched all of that and she did well. I've watched portions of a couple of her interviews and it wasn't bad. She sometimes has a difficult time getting answers started... almost stuttering. Her answers aren't always concise and clear and she has a tendency to meander. If you take the sometimes sociopathic vibe out of it, Vance is a noticeably better off the cuff speaker, IMO.
 
ZenMode said:
I haven't watched a lot because I knew I wouldn't be voting for her. My neighbors (hardcore never Trumpers) invited my wife and I to a debate watch party, so I watched all of that and she did well. I've watched portions of a couple of her interviews and it wasn't bad. She sometimes has a difficult time getting answers started... almost stuttering. Her answers aren't always concise and clear and she has a tendency to meander. If you take the sometimes sociopathic vibe out of it, Vance is a noticeably better off the cuff speaker, IMO.
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Ok, thanks for the answer. I agree Vance is an excellent off the cuff speaker, if you ignore the substance of what he's saying. Given his academic credentials, that's not surprising. He's clearly very, very smart.

One more question for you, though -- how did you come to the conclusion you would not vote for Kamala before you listened to what she's been saying since she's been the Dem candidate?
 
lawtig02 said:
Ok, thanks for the answer. I agree Vance is an excellent off the cuff speaker, if you ignore the substance of what he's saying. Given his academic credentials, that's not surprising. He's clearly very, very smart.

One more question for you, though -- how did you come to the conclusion you would not vote for Kamala before you listened to what she's been saying since she's been the Dem candidate?
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I knew from her run in 2020 that she wasn't someone I could vote for. Honestly, the more average candidates each party piles on us, the more frustrated and selective I find myself becoming.
 
ZenMode said:
I knew from her run in 2020 that she wasn't someone I could vote for. Honestly, the more average candidates each party piles on us, the more frustrated and selective I find myself becoming.
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Well, then, you must love internet dating.
 
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Ok, thanks. So is it your view that whatever position a candidate takes years before defines them for all time? If a candidate changes his or her views, is that disqualifying? I think I’m starting to understand why you’re so pessimistic about the available options, but I’m wondering if that’s a system issue or a you issue.
 
Zoo_View said:
Why is ANYONE engaging with ZenMode?

He’s comparable to ItsBoTime, YellowJacket, BigDogRules.
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he's more pleasant than most of the other right wingers on the board. and even if some of us don't believe him he at least gives lip service to not being a trumper. seems to have some modicum of shame.

and i don't get the impression that he's trolling. he just has poorly informed opinions and ideas.
 
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