Protection Of Women And Girls In Sports Act

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Ramrouser said:
I clearly indicated it was great political optics (never claimed any expertise in competitive volleyball). I could have used other examples in other sports but the volleyball case has been in the news.

As for my using "cute blond" it was a joke - poking fun at Fox News which loves to feature cute females to pull at the heartstrings of its audience.
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Schrodinger's Joke
 
ZenMode said:
I don't think they need to cede the trans issue entirely. I really think it's dogmatism that is costing Democrats. By dogmatism I mean taking the approach that making ANY distinction between trans women and biological women for ANY purpose (i.e. athletics) is a thought crime.

Trans women and trans men are people and deserve political equality of all people, but that doesn't mean trans women and biological women are completely indistinguishable in every situation..
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Can you provide an example of national Dem politicians taking this position?
 
tar pal said:
Laying aside injuries I believe it is unfair to birth women for trans to complete as it will take away opportunities and scholarships. People fought hard for title IX and it is a federal law. Someone thought it important enough to bring it to vote. Below is why I think it is unfair.

Just how much of an advantage did Lia Thomas possesses over biological females? The numbers paint a clear picture. The fact that the University of Pennsylvania swimmer soared from a mid-500s ranking (554th in the 200 freestyle; all divisions) in men’s competition to one of the top-ranked swimmers in women’s competition tells the story of the unfairness which unfolded at the NCAA level.

In her final meet, Thomas finaled in three events at the NCAA Championships, highlighted by a victory in the 500 freestyle. She also finished fifth in the 200 freestyle and was eighth in the 100 freestyle. Although she didn’t contest the event at the NCAA Champs, Thomas had one of the country’s top times in the 1650 freestyle. Here’s a look at her performances throughout the season, including their comparative status to her times as a member of Penn’s men’s squad.


  • In the 500 freestyle, Thomas’ time of 4:33.24 from her NCAA-title swim handed her the fastest time in the nation by more than a second over Arizona State’s Emma Nordin (4:34.87). Additionally, Thomas’ difference from her personal best with the Penn men’s program was just 6%, as opposed to the typical 10% to 11% difference generally seen between men and women.
  • Thomas’ best time in the 200 freestyle ended up being her 1:41.93 mark from the Zippy Invitational in December. That effort ultimately ended up 3.76% slower than her best time before her transition. Again, that time was between 7% and 8% faster than the typical separation between men and women.
  • When Thomas won the 200 freestyle at the Ivy League Champs in 1:43.12, she was even with runnerup Samantha Shelton at the midway point, but crushed the Harvard swimmer over the last 100, highlighted by a 25.04 split for the last 50 yards. The closing split of Thomas was faster than the finishing laps of Missy Franklin in her American-record performance, and the best closing effort of the likes of Katie Ledecky, Mallory Comerford and Siobhan Haughey, among others.
  • In the 100 freestyle, Thomas’ best time prior to her transition was 47.15. At the NCAA Championships, she posted a prelims time in the event of 47.37. That time reflects minimal mitigation of her male-puberty advantage.
  • During the last season Thomas competed as a member of the Penn men’s team, which was 2018-19, she ranked 554th in the 200 freestyle, 65th in the 500 freestyle and 32nd in the 1650 freestyle. As her career at Penn wrapped, she moved to fifth, first and eighth in those respective events on the women’s deck.
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Did Lia Thomas swim in the Olympics?
 
I am not alone.

A recent New York Times/Ipsos survey found the vast majority of Americans, including a majority of Democrats, don’t think transgender athletes should be permitted to compete in women’s sports.

“Thinking about transgender female athletes — meaning athletes who were male at birth but who currently identify as female — do you think they should or should not be allowed to compete in women’s sports?” the survey asked.

Of the 2,128 people who participated, 79% said biological males who identify as women should not be allowed to participate in women’s sports.

Of the 1,025 people who identified as Democrats or leaning Democrat, 67% said transgender athletes should not be allowed to compete with women.
 
FFS, coed volleyball, softball, football, basketball, etc is a thing.
Don’t tell me that having a transgendered woman playing volleyball is “dangerous,” that’s just silly. Of course injuries happen - that is part of sports.
 
tar pal said:
I am not alone.

A recent New York Times/Ipsos survey found the vast majority of Americans, including a majority of Democrats, don’t think transgender athletes should be permitted to compete in women’s sports.

“Thinking about transgender female athletes — meaning athletes who were male at birth but who currently identify as female — do you think they should or should not be allowed to compete in women’s sports?” the survey asked.

Of the 2,128 people who participated, 79% said biological males who identify as women should not be allowed to participate in women’s sports.

Of the 1,025 people who identified as Democrats or leaning Democrat, 67% said transgender athletes should not be allowed to compete with women.
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The question is…who makes this decision? I don’t think (as I said earlier) it is the role of government. Leave it to the individual governing bodies of each league to decide how they want to handle it.
If the NCAA decides transgender women cannot compete in women’s sports, I would accept that.
 
ChileG said:
The question is…who makes this decision? I don’t think (as I said earlier) it is the role of government. Leave it to the individual governing bodies of each league to decide how they want to handle it.
If the NCAA decides transgender women cannot compete in women’s sports, I would accept that.
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Not saying you’re a conservative, but this is the obvious conservative position on this issue.
 
To use the analogy that Ram used the Democratic party's wokeness lobbed the volleyball across the net to the Republican side and we spiked it back.
This should have never been an issue but the Dems can't stop tripping over their shoe laces so the Pubs used it as a tool and it helped in winning the election.
 
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Every school year we have scores of kids killed by gunshot while in their classrooms. We have folks on both sides of the country dealing with massive natural disasters. We have two enemies encroaching on sovereign neighbors. We have chronically hungry people throughout our country. We have chronic affordable housing issues.

And the dog shit GOP chose this hill to plant their flag. Fuck them.
 
Ramrouser said:
It's part of the Republican's Common Sense Agenda. It's paints Dems in a corner of defending a 6 foot 3 trans volleyball player spiking the ball onto the head of a cute, blond. "We're for YOU, Dems are for they/them." It's a continuation of the Presidential campaign. Granted, it's not the most important issue we're facing but Trump's working 24/7 on those issues as well.
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It's a distraction and you have bought in hook, line, and sinker.

it's so transparent in your description and how you refer to the girl as a "cute blond" and make reference to the size of the trans person, you know there are strong 6' 3" women also don't you?

It's not commone sense in any way. It's the normal maga, we need a group to marginalize politics. Common sense would be that we don't need the federal government controlling every aspect of our lives. Common sense would look at the numbers and the data and see that this isn't the risk the maga crowd pretends it is, but it does meet their objective of feeling better at the expense of others. Thats why they so need their marginalized groups to look down on and their religions to confirm their biases.

It would be so much simpler to accept people and treat each other with dignity and respect.
 
ChileG said:
The question is…who makes this decision? I don’t think (as I said earlier) it is the role of government. Leave it to the individual governing bodies of each league to decide how they want to handle it.
If the NCAA decides transgender women cannot compete in women’s sports, I would accept that.
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It was the government's role to establish Title IX.
 
UNCatTech said:
It's a distraction and you have bought in hook, line, and sinker.

it's so transparent in your description and how you refer to the girl as a "cute blond" and make reference to the size of the trans person, you know there are strong 6' 3" women also don't you?

It's not commone sense in any way. It's the normal maga, we need a group to marginalize politics. Common sense would be that we don't need the federal government controlling every aspect of our lives. Common sense would look at the numbers and the data and see that this isn't the risk the maga crowd pretends it is, but it does meet their objective of feeling better at the expense of others. Thats why they so need their marginalized groups to look down on and their religions to confirm their biases.

It would be so much simpler to accept people and treat each other with dignity and respect.
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But then they wouldn't feel special enough.
 
tar pal said:
Laying aside injuries I believe it is unfair to birth women for trans to complete as it will take away opportunities and scholarships. People fought hard for title IX and it is a federal law. Someone thought it important enough to bring it to vote. Below is why I think it is unfair.

Just how much of an advantage did Lia Thomas possesses over biological females? The numbers paint a clear picture. The fact that the University of Pennsylvania swimmer soared from a mid-500s ranking (554th in the 200 freestyle; all divisions) in men’s competition to one of the top-ranked swimmers in women’s competition tells the story of the unfairness which unfolded at the NCAA level.

In her final meet, Thomas finaled in three events at the NCAA Championships, highlighted by a victory in the 500 freestyle. She also finished fifth in the 200 freestyle and was eighth in the 100 freestyle. Although she didn’t contest the event at the NCAA Champs, Thomas had one of the country’s top times in the 1650 freestyle. Here’s a look at her performances throughout the season, including their comparative status to her times as a member of Penn’s men’s squad.


  • In the 500 freestyle, Thomas’ time of 4:33.24 from her NCAA-title swim handed her the fastest time in the nation by more than a second over Arizona State’s Emma Nordin (4:34.87). Additionally, Thomas’ difference from her personal best with the Penn men’s program was just 6%, as opposed to the typical 10% to 11% difference generally seen between men and women.
  • Thomas’ best time in the 200 freestyle ended up being her 1:41.93 mark from the Zippy Invitational in December. That effort ultimately ended up 3.76% slower than her best time before her transition. Again, that time was between 7% and 8% faster than the typical separation between men and women.
  • When Thomas won the 200 freestyle at the Ivy League Champs in 1:43.12, she was even with runnerup Samantha Shelton at the midway point, but crushed the Harvard swimmer over the last 100, highlighted by a 25.04 split for the last 50 yards. The closing split of Thomas was faster than the finishing laps of Missy Franklin in her American-record performance, and the best closing effort of the likes of Katie Ledecky, Mallory Comerford and Siobhan Haughey, among others.
  • In the 100 freestyle, Thomas’ best time prior to her transition was 47.15. At the NCAA Championships, she posted a prelims time in the event of 47.37. That time reflects minimal mitigation of her male-puberty advantage.
  • During the last season Thomas competed as a member of the Penn men’s team, which was 2018-19, she ranked 554th in the 200 freestyle, 65th in the 500 freestyle and 32nd in the 1650 freestyle. As her career at Penn wrapped, she moved to fifth, first and eighth in those respective events on the women’s deck.
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Lia Thomas may be an example of unfair advantage. Wild though that she only won one event.
 
Is it just me, or have the Pubs on here basically given up any pretense since the inauguration. I'm seeing a lot of admissions that the things Trump is doing are not principled or effective, but are solely intended to score cheap political points on inconsequential issues.
 
Isn't it the job of our elected officials to vote and operate in a way that represents their constituents of which 79% want a separation? Also if there is no difference why not go to having only one team per sport per school and males and females can try out for that one team.
 
Maybe Trump can appoint Bobert to bathroom duty at all these sporting events to oversee things. Shit like this bill is just going to cause innocent people who don't "look the part" to be unnecessarily harassed, much in the same way Trump's mass deportation plan prompts the MAGA crowd to harass legal immigrants with "Trump is going to deport you."

Lauren Boebert forced to apologize after trying to kick out ‘a guy’ from women’s bathroom at Capitol​


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Lauren Boebert forced to apologize after trying to kick out ‘a guy’ from women’s bathroom at Capitol

Boebert was overheard on the House floor telling members that she had discovered Delaware Democrat Sarah McBride in the women’s bathroom
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MAGA firebrand Lauren Boebert “stormed” into a women’s restroom in the Capitol to get “a guy” removed by security on Thursday.

But the conservative Trump loyalist ended up apologizing after it turned out to be a case of “mistaken identity.”

Boebert was overheard on the House floor telling members that she had discovered Delaware Democrat Sarah McBride in the women’s bathroom, according to the Daily Beast.

McBride, the first transgender member of Congress, is not permitted to use the women’s bathrooms after Speaker Mike Johnson renewed a ban on transgender people using single-sex bathrooms.

Boebert told other members that when she thought she saw McBride walking into the bathroom, she said, “You shouldn’t be here,” an anonymous Republican lawmaker told the outlet.

But the Colorado congresswoman then realized the person in the bathroom was not McBride. “I overheard Boebert say she went to apologize,” the lawmaker added.

Bloomberg Congress reporter Billy House also witnessed the incident and described Boebert “bursting out” of the women’s bathroom “complaining to security personnel stationed in the nearby Speakers Lobby of "a guy" in

House said he was “intrigued” and saw four other people leave the bathroom after Boebert. “All women,” he noted in a series of posts on X (formerly Twitter).

“Within minutes, however, Boebert was storming back from the House floor into the restroom — reinforced by Rep. Nancy Mace in tow.”

“But alas, just seconds after this duo entered the bathroom, they come back out — and went back quietly to the floor,” House said.

Boebert admitted she “made an error regarding a mistaken identity” in a statement to the Daily Beast. “I apologized, learned a lesson, and it won’t happen again,” Boebert said.

McBride confirmed to the outlet that she was not confronted by Boebert and added that she stands by her commitment to comply with the speaker’s bathroom policy.

South Carolina Representative Nancy Mace has been an outspoken critic of equal trans access to facilities and pushed House Republicans to keep transgender people out of bathrooms at the Capitol matching their gender identity.
 
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