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Protection Of Women And Girls In Sports Act

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Callatoroy said:
Or simply take a birth certificate when you register your kid. Seems a little more simple, but doesn't provide the insulting and scary rhetoric so might not be as popular to those on the left.
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Is this the appropriate point to interject that the very same people who are pushing this legislation already have a long history of multi-decade crusades that birth certificates are fake?
 
roostra said:
This is going to sound a bit radical, but I would suggest that any liberals arguing in this thread simply stop engaging. This is, by far, the most active thread on the board today, at least in terms of participation by the board conservatives as far as I can tell. This is functioning exactly the way the Trump campaign intended - a massive distraction from all of the other awful stuff that they are doing.

(Let me re-phrase that - this is an important issue - I am not suggesting that Trans Human Rights issues are not important, but this is the one area where Conservatives feel like they have a justified upper hand and so will engage in detail.. The arguments on this issue are nuanced, it is hard to respond to the "sound-bite" rhetorical style of the arguments on both sides, and much of people's beliefs in this area are exceedingly immune to listening to a counter argument. Letting them make this the focus of the board discussion allows them to duck the plethora of other issues where they don't have much to say because Trump's conduct is much harder to defend for them).

I would love to see Conservatives have to engage on the myriad of other threads that are pointing out the awfulness of the Trump administration actions where there are largely cricket noises from the conservative side.

I recognize that this could be perceived as throwing the Trans Rights cause under the bus and that is not my intention - I feel like Sports is such a relatively minor part of the movement, but it sucks all of the air out of the room and drowns out most of the other areas where Transgender folks are being oppressed which affect a much larger proportion of the Trans community. I am happy to listen to criticisms from this perspective and readily concede that this is possibly not a good stratagem.
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This is a congressional issue. trump not part of it.

Who are all these conservatives you speak of?
 
wmheel1287 said:
Is this the appropriate point to interject that the very same people who are pushing this legislation already have a long history of multi-decade crusades that birth certificates are fake?
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I have 3 kids (m & f) that played lots of local and school sports and one playing a collegiate sport. Birth certificates worked in every situation. Never heard any parent having a problem with using their kid's BC. In any case fixing any type of BC problem would seem more preferable to genital inspection wouldn't it?
 
Callatoroy said:
Or simply take a birth certificate when you register your kid. Seems a little more simple, but doesn't provide the insulting and scary rhetoric so might not be as popular to those on the left.
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Yeah man I love when the government forces my local YMCA youth league to require birth certificates to register. So small government. So important.
 
Callatoroy said:
Don't need a do-over. This thread is about transgender men in women's sports. I'm not aware of what the SOS "just did" or why. Start a thread on that.
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I think it is relevant to the point about whether republicans are really about protecting women or just hurting transgendered Americans.
If it was just about protecting women, why would this even be a thing?
 
Callatoroy said:
I have 3 kids (m & f) that played lots of local and school sports and one playing a collegiate sport. Birth certificates worked in every situation. Never heard any parent having a problem with using their kid's BC. In any case fixing any type of BC problem would seem more preferable to genital inspection wouldn't it?
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You are acting as if the kind of people whonpush these issues are sane. They are not.

The kind of people who push this are like the woman in Raleigh who posted a picture of a teacher in a tutu from spirit week and accused him of indoctrinating children. Ruined the guy's life and had HUNDREDS fangirling over her at school board meetings.

Just because you want to selectively ignore that this entire movement is rooted in radical hate mongers doesn't mean we all have to.
 
tar pal said:
Isn't it the job of our elected officials to vote and operate in a way that represents their constituents of which 79% want a separation? Also if there is no difference why not go to having only one team per sport per school and males and females can try out for that one team.
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tar pal said:
Isn't it the job of our elected officials to vote and operate in a way that represents their constituents of which 79% want a separation? Also if there is no difference why not go to having only one team per sport per school and males and females can try out for that one team.
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tar pal said:
Isn't it the job of our elected officials to vote and operate in a way that represents their constituents of which 79% want a separation? Also if there is no difference why not go to having only one team per sport per school and males and females can try out for that one team.
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Sorry if this has been answered, what do transgender male (female transitioning to male) play? Does a 17 year old that is transitioning and on hormonal therapy but hasn’t had surgery then get to play womens sports? or are they just shit out of luck
 
Fwiw. The NC high school athletic association has been governing high school sports in this state since before any of us were born. Until this year.
The GOP passed a law so politicians now have control over NC high school sports. Why do you think they did this (Governor didn’t bother to veto because they have enough votes for it to be veto-proof)?
I’ll give you a hint why they did this: it is germane to this thread.

So, again, this should be handled by the governing bodies of each league or association or whatever, not the government be it the state government or federal government.
 
ChileG said:
I think it is relevant to the point about whether republicans are really about protecting women or just hurting transgendered Americans.
If it was just about protecting women, why would this even be a thing?
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Why would what be a thing? The sports issue or Rubio's actions on passports?
 
uncjhodges said:
Sorry if this has been answered, what do transgender male (female transitioning to male) play? Does a 17 year old that is transitioning and on hormonal therapy but hasn’t had surgery then get to play womens sports? or are they just shit out of luck
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I'm not in favor of shit out of luck. I would have no issue with tax money going to support a division of sports geared to serve trans males who want to play sports. If there is a demand then we should fund it.
 
UNCatTech said:
You were making an argument that states should make the abortion decision. I don't believe the state or federal government should make a woman's medical decisions.
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Well, obviously the issue at some point that is debatable brings a 2nd life into play. When that is I guess is up to an individuals beliefs. I fall somewhere in the middle of when that is.
 
wmheel1287 said:
You are acting as if the kind of people whonpush these issues are sane. They are not.

The kind of people who push this are like the woman in Raleigh who posted a picture of a teacher in a tutu from spirit week and accused him of indoctrinating children. Ruined the guy's life and had HUNDREDS fangirling over her at school board meetings.

Just because you want to selectively ignore that this entire movement is rooted in radical hate mongers doesn't mean we all have to.
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That woman is new to you? You singled her out as your example to indict 77 million people of being full of trans hate? The internet is full of people posting disinformation. It's all over social media and has been since there has been a social media. That will NEVER change. Are you shocked by it? But the absolute worst of the worst and scum of the earth is when supposed journalist do it. I'm sure you agree.



Listen to the clip and then compare it to the caption at the top. Did you hear a threat to the pope? Intentional to inflame those who follow him? I don't need a clip of a republican journalist doing it. They do. I'm not denying it or pretending my side doesn't do it.

I have come to the conclusion that there is nothing I can say to make you reconsider that this, for a majority of republicans, is not rooted in hate. You will never consider anything but what's in your head so maybe more opportunity for discussion on another topic.
 
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