Protection Of Women And Girls In Sports Act

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wmheel1287 said:
Oh don't make it about a "side". This is me personally. I dont represent anyone other than myself. As someone who has been ENTRIELY civil and tried 1000 times to engage you constructively, im sick of you and your shit.

Me. Travis. Not liberals. Not "the left". Just me.
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ENTIRELY civil? Ok, whatever you say.
 
Callatoroy said:
No where in the 6 pages has anyone advocated to limit the rights of any minority to participate in public life. Also, this reeks of the "if you don't agree with me you are a bigot" mentality that was soundly repudiated. So, your contribution so far is to use inflaming rhetoric and say anyone not agreeing with you is being uncivil. Kind of hard to reason with that mentality so....ok whatever you say.
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The Secretary of State just froze all passports with the gender marker of X. That means that American citizens in possession of lawfully issued passports are no longer able to travel outside of or return to their home country, because of a gender marker.

You want to try again about how this isn't about taking away civil rights to participate in public life? I'll give you a do-over.
 
Callatoroy said:
One side is arguing a point to protect women
One side is arguing a point to protect transgender men.

Which one looks like the party protecting women in the eyes of the public?
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I think we can reasonably debate all day long about the merits and demerit of how transgender people compete in what sports (and I have said many times that while I don’t think it is the role of the government to intervene there, I also understand that there are completely legitimately valid safety concerns and considerations that should be taken into account and that ai think it is unfortunately a massive losing issue for liberals that needs to be completely dropped for now).

But there is absolutely no way the Republican party gets to claim that it is interested in protecting women. It is interested in bullying queer people. There is a massive distinction between the two. If it were actually about protecting women, Republicans would mesh their desires to protect women from being injured on the sports court with wanting to protect women from being forced to give birth against their desire. Republicans are not trying to preserve the sanctity of women’s sports, they’re trying to eliminate all vestiges of transgender people from society. That’s the whole goal of legislation like this. We should at least be honest about that.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Prior to now, point to when I have not been civil to you and given every benefit of the doubt.
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I have zero desire to get into an argument with you to debate your degree of civil discourse. I'm not snowflake enough to put you on ignore but I'm not having this discussion. If you want to debate the points I have made in this thread in good faith, fine, let's talk. Otherwise, have a good night.
 
StrangePackage said:
The Secretary of State just froze all passports with the gender marker of X. That means that American citizens in possession of lawfully issued passports are no longer able to travel outside of or return to their home country, because of a gender marker.

You want to try again about how this isn't about taking away civil rights to participate in public life? I'll give you a do-over.
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Don't need a do-over. This thread is about transgender men in women's sports. I'm not aware of what the SOS "just did" or why. Start a thread on that.
 
Callatoroy said:
Don't need a do-over. This thread is about transgender men in women's sports. I'm not aware of what the SOS "just did" or why. Start a thread on that.
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Got it. So this bit of queer bashing is entirely separate from the other bit of queer bashing and we're not allowed to look at both in concert when determining the actual motivation behind this bit of queer bashing.

Great talk.
 
Callatoroy said:
I have zero desire to get into an argument with you to debate your degree of civil discourse. I'm not snowflake enough to put you on ignore but I'm not having this discussion. If you want to debate the points I have made in this thread in good faith, fine, let's talk. Otherwise, have a good night.
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And I wasn't responding to the topic of this thread. I specifically responded to a post that had nothing to do with the topic of this thread where you were opining on the meaning of the word "woke" and how you were unwilling to justify what it means even though you throw it around like beads on Bourbon Street at Mardi Gras.

My opinion on the topic of this thread is that it shouldn't be a topic at all. My opinion is that who participates in sports should be decided by the governing body of that sports league. If they decide it is appropriate to allow trans men/women to compete, then I'm OK with that and if they decide it is not appropriate, then I'm OK with that as well.

However, that's not why this is a topic. This is a topic because people feel big when they are bullying others and that's all you've turned into whether you realize it or not...an asshole bully who is perfectly happy to allow others on his political team to gang up on people for sport.
 
Callatoroy said:
Please zzl don't lose your shit because i'm not stating this as a 1 for 1 equivalency, but you don't have to stretch that line of reasoning to say then states should decide abortion rights. It's in the ballpark.
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No, because medical decisions should be decided by doctors and patients, not congressmen or insurance CEOs.
 
wmheel1287 said:
And I wasn't responding to the topic of this thread. I specifically responded to a post that had nothing to do with the topic of this thread where you were opining on the meaning of the word "woke" and how you were unwilling to justify what it means even though you throw it around like beads on Bourbon Street at Mardi Gras.

My opinion on the topic of this thread is that it shouldn't be a topic at all. My opinion is that who participates in sports should be decided by the governing body of that sports league. If they decide it is appropriate to allow trans men/women to compete, then I'm OK with that and if they decide it is not appropriate, then I'm OK with that as well.

However, that's not why this is a topic. This is a topic because people feel big when they are bullying others and that's all you've turned into whether you realize it or not...an asshole bully who is perfectly happy to allow others on his political team to gang up on people for sport.
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Looking forward to all the condemnations from you and Package when any conservative is ganged up on by the HEAVILY outnumbered liberals on this board. Thanks in advance.

So a state issue or local governing (rec league or YMCA) board issue? If local governing board, how would high school sports work given that it is usually state wide?
 
StrangePackage said:
Got it. So this bit of queer bashing is entirely separate from the other bit of queer bashing and we're not allowed to look at both in concert when determining the actual motivation behind this bit of queer bashing.

Great talk.
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Well it actually was until you and wm decided to derail it. I think if a conservative offers similar remarks you refer to that as trolling.
 
Callatoroy said:
Looking forward to all the condemnations from you and Package when any conservative is ganged up on by the HEAVILY outnumbered liberals on this board. Thanks in advance.

So a state issue or local governing (rec league or YMCA) board issue? If local governing board, how would high school sports work given that it is usually state wide?
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Last I read there are 15 trans women in NC high school sports. Shouldn't be that hard to govern.

The only reason this is a political topic at all is it is divisive.
 
Callatoroy said:
Looking forward to all the condemnations from you and Package when any conservative is ganged up on by the HEAVILY outnumbered liberals on this board. Thanks in advance.

So a state issue or local governing (rec league or YMCA) board issue? If local governing board, how would high school sports work given that it is usually state wide?
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LOL that you think the bullying I'm referring to is on a damned message board. Grow up and stop being the snowflake that you label others. Nobody gets bullied on a message board. We are all grown ass humans. The kind of bullying I'm speaking of is using the levers of government to punch down on members of society for sport. And that's ALL this legislation is. Plain and simple.

I do not pretend to understand much of anything about people being Trans or the issues they face. I do know however that they are extremely vulnerable already and their severe minority status sets them up as the perfect societal punching bag candidates. I also know that the modern American conservative movement LOVES to find someone to punch down on. I loathe that trait in people. It is absolutely morally reprehensible.

And it is damned laughable that you think it's harder for state and local sports governing bodies to decide for themselves than it is for us to have some sort of national mandate that will inevitably lead to freaks demanding DNA tests for any girl who looks "manly".

You aren't serious and you don't post in good faith. You pretend to those things and for all I know you actually believe that crock of horseshit about yourself at this point. But even if you believe it, it definitely ain't so.
 
wmheel1287 said:
LOL that you think the bullying I'm referring to is on a damned message board. Grow up and stop being the snowflake that you label others. Nobody gets bullied on a message board. We are all grown ass humans. The kind of bullying I'm speaking of is using the levers of government to punch down on members of society for sport. And that's ALL this legislation is. Plain and simple.

I do not pretend to understand much of anything about people being Trans or the issues they face. I do know however that they are extremely vulnerable already and their severe minority status sets them up as the perfect societal punching bag candidates. I also know that the modern American conservative movement LOVES to find someone to punch down on. I loathe that trait in people. It is absolutely morally reprehensible.

And it is damned laughable that you think it's harder for state and local sports governing bodies to decide for themselves than it is for us to have some sort of national mandate that will inevitably lead to freaks demanding DNA tests for any girl who looks "manly".

You aren't serious and you don't post in good faith. You pretend to those things and for all I know you actually believe that crock of horseshit about yourself at this point. But even if you believe it, it definitely ain't so.
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I never said it is harder for state and locals to decide for themselves. When I get emotional my comprehension sometimes suffers too. My points were:

- So far, given the vote in the house, the right is being successful in framing itself as the protector of women. The left has traditionally argued they are the protectors of women. Will the public see it that way.
- It will be politically interesting to see how the senate vote goes given that the right will have to have some help from the left to pass the bill
- This is state issue and not a federal issue
- It can't be a local sports board issue due to high school sports
 
rodoheel said:
Or perhaps one could say that Republicans are the party who want to force inspections of kids genitals in youth sports? It’s approximately as accurate.
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Or simply take a birth certificate when you register your kid. Seems a little more simple, but doesn't provide the insulting and scary rhetoric so might not be as popular to those on the left.
 
Ramrouser said:
For every video and picture you can post depicting violence that day, the other side can post videos and pictures showing people in the Capitol simply walking around between the rope lines. Or, officers welcoming them into the building. No picture, or group of pictures, paints a definitive picture of what occurred that day.
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This is like saying that to have a “definitive picture” of the Pearl Harbor attack you have to show pictures of the Arizona burning and sinking next to pictures of the ships in anchorage that didn’t get hit.

Whether some of the people who eventually made it into the Capitol were not particularly violent is pretty obviously irrelevant. None of them would have been inside but for the violent, lawless, coordinated attack against Capitol police guarding the building. It was a shameful and dark day in our nations history no matter how you want to frame it.
 
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