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[gtyellowjacket]

Mexico & Canada made those commitments before Trump's circus came to town.
I refer you to the chips and science act of 2022.
The United States was flying illegals to Colombia before Trump's circus came to town.
Why would you want MORE military spending while simultaneously opposing us sending help to Ukraine? These kinda things are why nobody takes you trumplicans seriously. You just talk to hear yourselves talk.

I don't oppose sending aid to Ukraine. Best defense money we ever spent. And I don't want more defense spending. I'd like to see it cut significantly while pulling back on some of our overseas military commitments.

 

[finesse]

I don't think that is correct. Columbia refused to let two planes carrying migrants land until Trump made his tariff threat.

You are so blindered and gullible. They refused because Trump had the passengers, even those not convicted of anything, in shackles.

Trump's military deportation flights cost more, carry fewer migrants

The Trump administration has carried out 10 deportations on military planes. The flights cost more and move fewer, an El Paso Times analysis found.

www.elpasotimes.com

The Biden administration carried out 5,518 deportation flights over four years. There were 1,564 deportation flights in the final year of the Biden administration, according to Cartwright.

ICE removed 271,484 non-citizens in fiscal year 2024, a 90% increase over the previous year.

 

[dukeman92]

More military spending and

If you don't want more military spending, then I obviously misinterpreted what you meant here.

I don't think that is correct. Columbia refused to let two planes carrying migrants land until Trump made his tariff threat.

Last year, Colombia received more than 120 deportation flights, but those were charter flights operated by U.S. government contractors.

 

[1moretimeagain]

I don't think that is correct. Columbia refused to let two planes carrying migrants land until Trump made his tariff threat.

lol
“Colombia accepted 475 deportation flights from the U.S. from 2020 to 2024,”

White House says Colombia agrees to take deported migrants after Trump tariff showdown

The White House claimed victory in a showdown with Colombia over accepting flights of deported migrants from the U.S., hours after President Donald Trump threatened steep tariffs.

apnews.com

 

[gtyellowjacket]

If you don't want more military spending, then I obviously misinterpreted what you meant here.



Last year, Colombia received more than 120 deportation flights, but those were charter flights operated by U.S. government contractors.

Yeah. That was referring to other country's (specifically Taiwan in that case) military spending to displace US military commitments defending their countries.

 

[finesse]

Yeah. That was referring to other country's military spending to displace US military commitments defending their countries.

Which started a while back. Still has a way to go but it started about a decade ago with hard numbers on materiel as well as just training and expansion. Trump's action might change the amount spent but he didn't start this. That started under Obama.


"I welcome what [NATO] Secretary General Stoltenberg yesterday called an 'unprecedented rise' in defense spending across our European and Canadian allies, who have added more than $600 billion for defense since the Defense Investment Pledge was made in 2014, including a real increase of 11% in defense spending in 2023 alone," Austin said in today's statement. "The secretary general projects that in 2024, 18 allies will spend at least 2% of their GDP on defense — a major improvement over 2014, when only three hit that target. Any ally not spending at least 2% of GDP on defense this year should have plans to swiftly meet that target."

Austin said he was pleased by the progress the U.S. and allies made at today's meeting of NATO defense ministers in Brussels and underscored the importance of the alliance to U.S. security.

 

[dukeman92]

Yeah. That was referring to other country's (specifically Taiwan in that case) military spending to displace US military commitments defending their countries.

Not every country has the ability to do what we do. Which is part of what helps make us the worlds preeminent super power. Or did. I don't think asking other NATO countries to kick in is an unrealistic ask, as long as we keep that in mind.

Sending Ukraine aid, old stockpiles of weapons, helps to keep our cashe of weapons updated, it keeps Americans employed making new stuff, it furthers our interests abroad while showing our soft power to others and weakens our greatest enemy.

This is something USAID did. Expanded our soft power and protected our interests. None of this is as black and white as Trumplicans paint it.

 

[WaynetheDrain]

Lower spending. The willingness to hold bureaucrats accountable for wasting tax payer funds. The willingness to look at new scientific information and not dismiss it out of hand.

I honestly think if Trump can pull off a significant culling of the bureaucracy without significantly curtailing services, he could be FDR level. But he's Trump so its more likely he blows it and he goes GWB level. But I'm hoping.

Lower spending?

Did you type that with a straight face?

Did you forget that he added 8 trillion dollars to our deficit his first term?

 

[superrific]

Panama stops cooperation with China's belt and road program. Canada and Mexico increasing their border security. More military spending and commitments to move some chip manufacturing to the US from Taiwan. Columbia taking back its migrants.

None of that happened. It's Colombia. Didn't they teach you anything at Georja Tuch?

 

[superrific]

Do you really believe either of those statements are true?

On his first day in office, Trump signed Executive Orders instructing the government to stop working on anything related to race, gender, diversity, climate change, etc. etc. Have you forgotten about that?

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/02/13/nx-s1-5297177/cdc-scientists-publications-trump-administration

What @tech said is true. It wasn't true until last month. This fact will not stop you from JCDing the nonsense.

 

[superrific]

I don't think that is correct. Columbia refused to let two planes carrying migrants land until Trump made his tariff threat.

Colombia. Have some respect.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

Lower spending. The willingness to hold bureaucrats accountable for wasting tax payer funds. The willingness to look at new scientific information and not dismiss it out of hand.

I honestly think if Trump can pull off a significant culling of the bureaucracy without significantly curtailing services, he could be FDR level. But he's Trump so its more likely he blows it and he goes GWB level. But I'm hoping.

 

[UNCatTech]

Do you really believe either of those statements are true?

Well, why would they lie?

I mean I don't vote for liars and con men, so yest I trust those I vote for to do what they say.

But I guess it is hard to believe a habitual liar like trump and his goon. Maybe the courts will prove them to be liars again.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

Which started a while back. Still has a way to go but it started about a decade ago with hard numbers on materiel as well as just training and expansion. Trump's action might change the amount spent but he didn't start this. That started under Obama.


"I welcome what [NATO] Secretary General Stoltenberg yesterday called an 'unprecedented rise' in defense spending across our European and Canadian allies, who have added more than $600 billion for defense since the Defense Investment Pledge was made in 2014, including a real increase of 11% in defense spending in 2023 alone," Austin said in today's statement. "The secretary general projects that in 2024, 18 allies will spend at least 2% of their GDP on defense — a major improvement over 2014, when only three hit that target. Any ally not spending at least 2% of GDP on defense this year should have plans to swiftly meet that target."

Austin said he was pleased by the progress the U.S. and allies made at today's meeting of NATO defense ministers in Brussels and underscored the importance of the alliance to U.S. security.

I am not seeing us reducing our overseas defense spending since Obama. Certainly on a dollar for dollar basis as we ended two wars, but the general, let's spend a bunch of money to defend first world countries so they don't have to, I'm not seeing it. If anything, we are increasing commitments more with expanding NATO and checking China.

 

[UNCatTech]

I don't support all of the current administration's policies but I am warming to it based on some of their policies. I do think some of the criticism towards the administration is overblown and a bit ridiculous.

My question was specifically asking him if he really believes that HHS is no longer issuing grants or if he believes that HHS never allows research on differences based on ethnicity? It shocks me that anyone would think that so I'm clarifying its not some sort of sarcasm or embellishment.

I've listened to three different podcast this week interviewing researchers, who are very worried because grant money isn't flowing.

The issue, as he stated, is that many of these research projects have no buffer, so when the grant money is late some of the researchers cannot stay around hoping, they take other jobs or move on. Once they move on, it isn't that simple to for them to come back.

They also listed off the sources of many discoveries that have improved our lives, that came from some really obscure research that may have been questioned at the time, but the learnings from the research we eventually beneficial enough to more than pay for itself.

One example was research on poppies that lead to understanding of RNA degradation.

They also mentioned that there will be a lagging effect to slowing or stopping funding for research.

So, to be honest, I'll listen to those in the field who believe that drump's approach could really fuck up the American Science industry for decades to come, over you.

But you go ahead and keep warming to the trump lies.

 

[superrific]

I've listened to three different podcast this week interviewing researchers, who are very worried because grant money isn't flowing.

The issue, as he stated, is that many of these research projects have no buffer, so when the grant money is late some of the researchers cannot stay around hoping, they take other jobs or move on. Once they move on, it isn't that simple to for them to come back.

They also listed off the sources of many discoveries that have improved our lives, that came from some really obscure research that may have been questioned at the time, but the learnings from the research we eventually beneficial enough to more than pay for itself.

One example was research on poppies that lead to understanding of RNA degradation.

They also mentioned that there will be a lagging effect to slowing or stopping funding for research.

So, to be honest, I'll listen to those in the field who believe that drump's approach could really fuck up the American Science industry for decades to come, over you.

But you go ahead and keep warming to the trump lies.

Gila monster venom led to ozempic.

 

[UNCatTech]

Lower spending. The willingness to hold bureaucrats accountable for wasting tax payer funds. The willingness to look at new scientific information and not dismiss it out of hand.

I honestly think if Trump can pull off a significant culling of the bureaucracy without significantly curtailing services, he could be FDR level. But he's Trump so its more likely he blows it and he goes GWB level. But I'm hoping.

And there are proper ways to go about efficiency. A bull in a China shop approach doesn't work, you end up with broken non-functional shit.

How do you believe he's going to let go of all of these people and still get the job done?

Maybe like them letting go of the nuclear workers and having to rehire them because he didn't know what their job was.

Trump administration fires then rehires crucial nuclear stockpile employees

The Trump administration fired and rehired dozens of staffers at the National Nuclear Security Administration, which oversees the nuclear weapon stockpile. | TAG24

www.tag24.com

 

[superrific]

And there are proper ways to go about efficiency. A bull in a China shop approach doesn't work, you end up with broken non-functional shit.

How do you believe he's going to let go of all of these people and still get the job done?

Maybe like them letting go of the nuclear workers and having to rehire them because he didn't know what their job was.

Trump administration fires then rehires crucial nuclear stockpile employees

The Trump administration fired and rehired dozens of staffers at the National Nuclear Security Administration, which oversees the nuclear weapon stockpile. | TAG24

www.tag24.com

The crazy thing is that Musk already tried this approach with twitter. He killed it. Shit was breaking left and right, and instead of fixing it, he just decided to bill that as a new feature.

Sam Altman joked about buying X for $9B (that was 10% of the Musk offer for OpenAI) but the real joke is that X is probably only worth half of that. It's lost 90% of its value since Musk started ripping it to shreds.

 

[UNCatTech]

Gila monster venom led to ozempic.

Yes, that was also mentioned. I was just looking up a reference.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

And there are proper ways to go about efficiency. A bull in a China shop approach doesn't work, you end up with broken non-functional shit.

How do you believe he's going to let go of all of these people and still get the job done?

Maybe like them letting go of the nuclear workers and having to rehire them because he didn't know what their job was.

Trump administration fires then rehires crucial nuclear stockpile employees

The Trump administration fired and rehired dozens of staffers at the National Nuclear Security Administration, which oversees the nuclear weapon stockpile. | TAG24

www.tag24.com

I think he might be moving too fast, but its in line with corporate practice that tends to cut too much and then hire back as needed. Its not ideal, and there are hiring and training costs involved, but it does tend to get companies leaner. And if it works, without compromising services, we are all better off for it, except the surplus workers of course.

And it will only work if the federal government has too many workers or they are underutilized. If the government workforce is largely efficient and has the right staffing levels, the effort will fail.