Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”
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Batt Boy
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The second mound NE of Pokrovsk fell (updated) yesterday.
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Their headline is bogus, but significant shift.
69% of Ukrainians now want a negotiated peace and only 24% remain delusional and want fighting to continue until victory. At the same time, 68% don’t see active fighting ending within the next 12 months.73% disapprove of Trump. German leadership’s approval rises to 63%. 33% of Ukrainians now think that the country will never be in NATO vs 32% thinking that the membership will be granted within then next 10 years. Significant role of the EU, UK, and US in negotiations is seen as about equal (75, 71, and 70%, respectfully). Another drop in hopes (rather expectations) of a quick EU accession.
news.gallup.com
Kalibrated Ukraine Map – Google My Maps
Kalibrated Maps is developed by (https://x.com/squatsons) ). It was created with the aim of providing a publicly available but accurate control map of Ukraine. The map is updated based on confirmed information but it is still under development and may have some mistakes.
Their headline is bogus, but significant shift.
69% of Ukrainians now want a negotiated peace and only 24% remain delusional and want fighting to continue until victory. At the same time, 68% don’t see active fighting ending within the next 12 months.73% disapprove of Trump. German leadership’s approval rises to 63%. 33% of Ukrainians now think that the country will never be in NATO vs 32% thinking that the membership will be granted within then next 10 years. Significant role of the EU, UK, and US in negotiations is seen as about equal (75, 71, and 70%, respectfully). Another drop in hopes (rather expectations) of a quick EU accession.
Ukrainian Support for War Effort Collapses
New data from Ukraine show the public favors ending the war with Russia through negotiations, as support for fighting until victory has plummeted.
news.gallup.com
lawtig02
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"Swapping"??? I'm sure Ukraine would be more than happy to talk about giving up some territory (like the Donetsk) and receiving in exchange some currently Russian territory (like Crimea). Make it happen Ram/Calla/Trump!!!
The second mound NE of Pokrovsk fell (updated) yesterday.
Kalibrated Ukraine Map – Google My Maps
Kalibrated Maps is developed by (https://x.com/squatsons) ). It was created with the aim of providing a publicly available but accurate control map of Ukraine. The map is updated based on confirmed information but it is still under development and may have some mistakes.
Their headline is bogus, but significant shift.
69% of Ukrainians now want a negotiated peace and only 24% remain delusional and want fighting to continue until victory. At the same time, 68% don’t see active fighting ending within the next 12 months.73% disapprove of Trump. German leadership’s approval rises to 63%. 33% of Ukrainians now think that the country will never be in NATO vs 32% thinking that the membership will be granted within then next 10 years. Significant role of the EU, UK, and US in negotiations is seen as about equal (75, 71, and 70%, respectfully). Another drop in hopes (rather expectations) of a quick EU accession.
Ukrainian Support for War Effort Collapses
New data from Ukraine show the public favors ending the war with Russia through negotiations, as support for fighting until victory has plummeted.
That's a bit of misreading the poll. That doesn't meant the Ukrainian people will accept Russia's terms. The Ukrainian government has always stated its ready for a ceasefire and for the fighting to stop.
BTW, the last time you posted on this thread which without looking I believe it was in May you indicated that things were really looking bad for Ukraine. Don't think so.
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Is “tapping you along” actually an expression?
Batt Boy
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Yeah I noted that. As for how it's going? Man, maybe you know some people other than me and I hope you are right, but it's going terribly for Ukraine. Vlad has husbanded resources and is getting ready to drive again, probably through early October. The grinder favors the Orcs.
Of course its stressful for Ukraine. But to measure this war by land trading hands is the wrong way to measure it. To measure it by who is doing the most attacking is the wrong way to measure it. And to measure it by terrorism against civilians is the wrong way to measure it.
WaynetheDrain
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That’s really weird, considering this war would have never started if Trump was president at the time. It’s almost the complete opposite of what one might expect with such a respected strongman like DJT in the White House.
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1moretimeagain
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Will Sarah Palin officiate the proceedings?
Duke Mu
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Gee, I wonder why.