Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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Huh? said:
Afghanistan in the 1980s didn't have any cards but they played it tough and, with US help, they brought down the entire Soviet empire. Yet our President doesn't think that precedent is in Putin's mind as leverage?
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For those posters who keep saying we should cut our aid to Ukraine because they will never get their land back anyway, we should bring up this example. Our aid helped end the cold war. Huge bargain.
 
Huh? said:
Afghanistan in the 1980s didn't have any cards but they played it tough and, with US help, they brought down the entire Soviet empire. Yet our President doesn't think that precedent is in Putin's mind as leverage?
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Putting this here for record if it does happen.
If he goes, then there's no argument to be made that he isn't a Russian plant.

 


“The US is pushing to block a Ukrainian resolution at the United Nations that condemns Russia for its war of aggression, according to people familiar with the matter.

The administration of President Donald Trump has urged all UN members to instead back a US text aimed at charting a path to peace between Kyiv and Moscow, the State Department said in a statement on Friday. …”
 
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Paine said:
The sooner that liberals acknowledge American primacy is dead and buried the better. Now that Trump and Vance have ripped apart what remained of the “rules based international order,” we can seriously think about a foreign policy that makes the world safer for everyone.

Let’s start with a system of international rules that apply to everyone, not just the countries the U.S. wants to selectively apply them to. We can’t be a nation that says rules for thee but not for me (and my allies). This way of operating has provided license to bad actors around the world.
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Whoa.......while I normally applaud and appreciate forward thinking, I kinda think liberals (and the rest of America) need to be 100% focused on containing Trump's Kingship and Dictatorship urges.
 
Paine said:
Failure to consider these questions during the Biden administration was disastrous.
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Well, if we are talking about Biden/Democrat disasters..........I'd say failure to contain, stop Trump might have gotten overlooked while focusing on other things.
 
BlueSmoke said:
Well, if we are talking about Biden/Democrat disasters..........I'd say failure to contain, stop Trump might have gotten overlooked while focusing on other things.
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It's more like Mitch McConnell kneeling down and thinking that the Supreme Court he jerryrigged would do his job on stopping Trump. If there's a culprit for the rise of King Drumph it's Mitch McConnell.
 
Paine said:
One of the ways Trump was able to win was via his campaign message on Ukraine and Palestine. Reckoning with the failures of liberal foreign policy is crucial.
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I don't argue with that nor do I argue with sometimes we have to walk and chew gum at the same time. I just hope we have free elections in two and four years. Any power grabs that interfere with that is what I plan to be focused on.
 
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