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Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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Ramrouser said:
I’ve given Biden credit for his response to the invasion in the weeks following Russia’s commencement of hostilities. No one wanted Russia to take over Ukraine and put Western Europe in danger. But it’s fairly easy to build a European coalition when Russia starts a land war in Eastern Europe ( first in 80 years) and nothing stands in the way of Russia invading their country except the Ukrainian army. Pretty easy to motivate Western Europe to act in their own self defense. For this reason I would rank higher GHW Bush’s coalition in the first Gulf War.
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Do you think Trump would have built that coalition? I think the answer is obviously no. Between this bullshit and his attempted shakedown of Ukraine in 2019, I doubt he would have tried. But had he tried, he would have failed miserably because Trump is congenitally incapable of building coalitions.

It's much fucking easier to build a coalition to boot Iraq out of Kuwait than to fight against a huge nuclear-armed country. But there's no degree of difficulty score, here. The point is that the main reason that Russia didn't walk all over Ukraine was the Biden administration.
 
Biden's and GWHB's actions were exceptional foreign policy responses. Over the past 35 years, only the efforts of Nunn and Lugar to denuclearize the former SSRs meet that high bar.

Today, um, fell short.
 
Ramrouser said:
I’ve given Biden credit for his response to the invasion in the weeks following Russia’s commencement of hostilities. No one wanted Russia to take over Ukraine and put Western Europe in danger. But it’s fairly easy to build a European coalition when Russia starts a land war in Eastern Europe ( first in 80 years) and nothing stands in the way of Russia invading their country except the Ukrainian army. Pretty easy to motivate Western Europe to act in their own self defense. For this reason I would rank higher GHW Bush’s coalition in the first Gulf War.
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Bush was up against a moderate fighting army with no nuclear weapons ....................
 
Ramrouser said:
I’ve given Biden credit for his response to the invasion in the weeks following Russia’s commencement of hostilities. No one wanted Russia to take over Ukraine and put Western Europe in danger. But it’s fairly easy to build a European coalition when Russia starts a land war in Eastern Europe ( first in 80 years) and nothing stands in the way of Russia invading their country except the Ukrainian army. Pretty easy to motivate Western Europe to act in their own self defense. For this reason I would rank higher GHW Bush’s coalition in the first Gulf War.
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God help your clients.
 
Negotiations are generally held in private away from the press for exactly the reason against events as happened today.
Trump’s handlers nefariously brought the press (including Russian state media) into the negotiations so as to influence the Ukrainian public into accepting the Russian terms.
 
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To everyone involved, could you please throttle back on the direct personal attacks and name-calling and jumping to FU/GFY etc as a knee-jerk response?

I am asking on behalf of other posters — we let a lot of that stuff go because we all seem to be adults here and adults get mad and seem to need to vent etc, fine. But could you guys calm down with the name-calling using genitalia slang and slurs (which is coming from all directions)?

Posters with an interest in the topics here are understandably (for the most part) agitated, but for the good of discussion I am asking you guys just to throttle back on some of the offensive direct personal attacks. The board software doesn’t edit the language but it would be great if you guys could self-edit the offensive personal attacks directed at other posters.

Thanks.
 
Callatoroy said:
No, no, no Dr. Bob. I expect way more from you. You have a doctorate for God's sake. Now if you did the photoshop then props to you and I recognize talent.
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I'm sorry to disappoint, but Trump is slashing our NIH budget soon, so I have no time for a good Photoshop job of my own.
 
NATO is over. Euros will need to ramp up. Poland, Germany, Baltics should be alarmed. They will need to beef up their defenses. We're going to have a nasty trade war with all sorts of collateral damage.

If I'm in Taiwan...I'd be very uneasy sleeping at night.
Heck, I'm even wondering Canada should get nukes as a deterrent.
 
CRHeel94 said:
NATO is over. Euros will need to ramp up. Poland, Germany, Baltics should be alarmed. They will need to beef up their defenses. We're going to have a nasty trade war with all sorts of collateral damage.

If I'm in Taiwan...I'd be very uneasy sleeping at night.
Heck, I'm even wondering Canada should get nukes as a deterrent.
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This realignment has likely made the risk of humanity ending via nuclear war substantially higher. It’s concurrently rational and irrational, but if I’m UK, Germany, France, Spain, Scandinavia, etc. I working together to substantially increase nuclear deterrents and increasing militarization to levels not seen since 1940s. Otherwise, you’re just asking for Russia and the US to pick you apart.
 
CRHeel94 said:
NATO is over. Euros will need to ramp up. Poland, Germany, Baltics should be alarmed. They will need to beef up their defenses. We're going to have a nasty trade war with all sorts of collateral damage.

If I'm in Taiwan...I'd be very uneasy sleeping at night.
Heck, I'm even wondering Canada should get nukes as a deterrent.
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The nuclear club will number in the 20’s in 15-20 years. If we’re lucky.
 
mpaer said:
Nothing at all--it is just bully politics Lets see , a counry gets decimated. So we will help them achieve peace if they give us all their resources--or something like that
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It is actually nothing like that. Europe's aid was in the form of a loan. Why would we give more aid than Europe, Europe get paid back but not the US. As well, those minerals will sit there until Russia takes them or China comes in and gets them because ukraine doesn't have the capability to get them.. It is actually very smart on trump's part and it provides some security to ukraine as we would be invested in the country. putin isn't going to attack again if we are there.
 
mpaer said:
Bush was up against a moderate fighting army with no nuclear weapons ....................
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At the time Iraq had the 4th largest army. Plus, the allies committed actual troops for the fight not just money and equipment.
 
Callatoroy said:
It is actually very smart on trump's part
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Calla my man, you really think Trump knows what he's doing? This isn't a deal on a NJ casino. And Trump got screwed on those casino deals most of time.
 
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Wheels81 said:
There must be a Rip Van Winkle story in here somewhere. An American falls asleep in 1980s America in which Republicans hate Russia and despise government interference, and then wakes up in present day America with Republicans fawning over the Russian dictator and treating our own wannabe dictator like some sort of God. I’m not a fan of this expression, and I was never a big fan of his, but Ronald Reagan must be turning in his grave.
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Today not withstanding, seeing the left criticize trump for the way he chooses to deal with putin after having 12 years to show how smart and tough they were only to yield two invasions on their watch is kind of like gardner webb giving football advice to alabama. Only the left doesn't know how dumb they look when they do it or how impotent they looked while russia said fuck you to obama and biden. They actually think they have some credibility on the issue. Its kind of cute and sad at the same time.
 
Enigma94 said:
I have enumerated my position on Ukraine and how Trump is fucking it up multiple times. I’m done explaining things to idiots like you.
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Translation: I have nothing to say because the democrats are why we are in this situation to begin with and I'm not man enough to own it.
 
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