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Good summary. Except number 1 needs to Be "Thank orangeturd for his world excellence"
Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”
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The Russians have a centuries old history of attacking and annexing other countries. And it is not just ancient history. Stalin attacked Finland right before the start of WWII and took about 50% of its territory. The Fins hate the Russians. Also, with Hitler’s acquiescence, he annexed the Baltic States. Russia lost vast amounts of territory after the Soviet Union split up. Putin has, with his invasion of Ukraine, started a process of regaining much (if not all) of that territory. Ukraine is just the start. Anyone who doesn’t see that is ignorant about European history. He will not stop until he is stopped by force. This isn’t just about Ukraine, this is about the fate of all Europe. So, you trumpers who are applauding your POS , heed my warning; if Putin is not stopped now, the price to stop him will just get higher and higher. It’s like Clemenza’s line in The Godfather. “You got to stop them in the beginning. Like they should have stopped Hitler at Munich. They should have never let him get away with that. They were just asking for big trouble.”
Silence Dogood
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So more war? More lives lost? You think Russia would just stand by and be slowly weakened?
CFordUNC
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It really is so unfathomable that so many Americans simply…..got bored….of being the strongest, most powerful, most economically prosperous, most influential nation in the world, and decided to elect the only person in the history of the nation who ran for president on an explicit platform of dismantling and destroying it all. Every other empire that I can think of in the history of the world declined because they were usurped by outside forces. Ours did it voluntarily.
Trump was described as an isolationist in The Art of the Deal.
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Yes. But now they don’t need to because Putin has his stooge in the White House who will voluntarily do what Putin never could have, destroy the 80 year old western alliance.
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Starmer: Coalition of willing to guarantee Ukraine peace
The UK prime minister says Europe would take the lead but would need US backing for a peace plan.
www.bbc.com
"The UK, France and other countries will step up their efforts in a "coalition of the willing" and seek to involve the US in their support for Ukraine, he [Starmer] said."
Ah, Dubya and the good ole' days. I really, really like Starmer. Good man. Taking a proper piss out of the Yanks.
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Also forces the US's hand. Mouth breathers won't be applauding Trump when Putin is killing British and French soldiers. We would be obligated....and Putin would have to know that. It's a way to drag the U.S. into defending Ukraine against Trumps will.
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+1000. That GOP argument is just total bullshit. We've crippled Russia at virtually no cost to ourselves beyond sending them weapons that we can definitely afford, and in the process have prevented Putin from attacking other former Soviet states (and make no mistake, if he had conquered Ukraine easily he would have done so by now). Putin was in bad shape until Trump was elected, but now he has someone in the Oval Office who is quite literally on his side and is helping him to achieve his goals - goals that he likely could not have achieved had Trump not been elected. That's the bottom line, and it's one that Republicans want to do anything but discuss. Hence the diversions to Obama, Biden, false claims that we could not have continued military support for Ukraine, attacks on Zelensky instead of Putin, etc.
The end game is an independent Ukraine. Ukraine is standing between Europe and Russia. Technically not literally between, but strategically yes. Independent every square mile? Probably not.
Over three years, we have given Ukraine 122 Billion according to CBS News today. There is a higher number, but that was really spent in house for us on some things, and not directly sent over there. But say, 60 billion a year in aid? A bargain for us and a better deal then handing out tax cuts. Once, Russia controls Ukraine, its people, its military and arms industry then we have a major, expensive problem on our hands. It will be Cold War spending all over if Trump doesn't completely sell us out first.
Hey, Ukraine and its people are fighting. We spent 20 years doing all the fighting for Afganistan. Not to mention we easily spent more then 60 billion a year on that war.
Over three years, we have given Ukraine 122 Billion according to CBS News today. There is a higher number, but that was really spent in house for us on some things, and not directly sent over there. But say, 60 billion a year in aid? A bargain for us and a better deal then handing out tax cuts. Once, Russia controls Ukraine, its people, its military and arms industry then we have a major, expensive problem on our hands. It will be Cold War spending all over if Trump doesn't completely sell us out first.
Hey, Ukraine and its people are fighting. We spent 20 years doing all the fighting for Afganistan. Not to mention we easily spent more then 60 billion a year on that war.
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To paraphrase David Brooks, the receding roar of white privilege has driven many white Americans insane. And for anyone who wants to mention Trump's minority support, roughly 85% of Trump's vote in 2024 came from white Americans, not minorities. Make no mistake, MAGA is still very much a white person's movement.
May be wrong thread, but has anyone heard that the Secretary of Defense has ordered Offensive Cyber warfare against Russia to stop? As I understand it, you really can't do defensive cyber without the offensive. And if we are exposed then that pretty much means Russia its friends literally have us by the you know what.
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Support Ukraine as long as they want to fight. Don't pretend for one second that you care about the lives of Russians and the Ukrainians want to fight for their own homeland. I don't think Russia will just be slowly weakened. I know it. We've seen it for 3 years.
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Trump administration retreats in fight against Russian cyber threats
Recent incidents indicate US is no longer characterizing Russia as a cybersecurity threat, marking a radical departure: ‘Putin is on the inside now’
I can’t think of a country that had the world by the balls and just let go. The Roman Empire fell in part because of internal problems. Put they didn’t on purpose kick themselves in the balls. To use a golf analogy, it’s like clearing the water on a tough par 4 and then turning around and hitting the ball into the lake you just hit a great drive to cross. UFB!!
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Do you have a source for that or anything to add any details to that claim?
Because it's been a long (long, long) time since I read TAotD, but I don't remember it being particularly political.
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I think you get the old Snoop style ZZL when you try to police it. There are plenty of nonsense posters on here that passionately believe that Trump/Vance/anyone else they don't like is a Russian agent/Nazi/whatever despite some pretty compelling evidence that they aren't. You start banning the nonsense from the opposite side while leaving the nonsense from your side and you get an echo chamber where the rhetoric keeps ratcheting up and its okay to call for political assassinations. I'd leave him and let the people who get upset about it use the ignore button.