Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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BlueSmoke said:
May be wrong thread, but has anyone heard that the Secretary of Defense has ordered Offensive Cyber warfare against Russia to stop? As I understand it, you really can't do defensive cyber without the offensive. And if we are exposed then that pretty much means Russia its friends literally have us by the you know what.
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www.theguardian.com

Trump administration retreats in fight against Russian cyber threats

Recent incidents indicate US is no longer characterizing Russia as a cybersecurity threat, marking a radical departure: ‘Putin is on the inside now’
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CFordUNC said:
It really is so unfathomable that so many Americans simply…..got bored….of being the strongest, most powerful, most economically prosperous, most influential nation in the world, and decided to elect the only person in the history of the nation who ran for president on an explicit platform of dismantling and destroying it all. Every other empire that I can think of in the history of the world declined because they were usurped by outside forces. Ours did it voluntarily.
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I can’t think of a country that had the world by the balls and just let go. The Roman Empire fell in part because of internal problems. Put they didn’t on purpose kick themselves in the balls. To use a golf analogy, it’s like clearing the water on a tough par 4 and then turning around and hitting the ball into the lake you just hit a great drive to cross. UFB!!
 
dcphx said:
Trump was described as an isolationist in The Art of the Deal.
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Do you have a source for that or anything to add any details to that claim?

Because it's been a long (long, long) time since I read TAotD, but I don't remember it being particularly political.
 
Rock said:
What does everyone else think? Personally, I think Michael Flynn is a disgraceful human being. Pretty much the same with Elon Musk. But, I’m aware others may have a different view.

Do we want an opposing side to have a voice or is this just blatant “trolling”?
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I think you get the old Snoop style ZZL when you try to police it. There are plenty of nonsense posters on here that passionately believe that Trump/Vance/anyone else they don't like is a Russian agent/Nazi/whatever despite some pretty compelling evidence that they aren't. You start banning the nonsense from the opposite side while leaving the nonsense from your side and you get an echo chamber where the rhetoric keeps ratcheting up and its okay to call for political assassinations. I'd leave him and let the people who get upset about it use the ignore button.
 
CHAMTRAIN said:
Also forces the US's hand. Mouth breathers won't be applauding Trump when Putin is killing British and French soldiers. We would be obligated....and Putin would have to know that. It's a way to drag the U.S. into defending Ukraine against Trumps will.
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I think you’re giving maga far, far too much credit. To them, Brits and the French are liberal coastal elites and the Russians are salt of the earth. At least this is what they’ll tell themselves, bc, truly, they’ve simply outsourced their morality and any shred of political free will to don and/or musk.
 
CFordUNC said:
It really is so unfathomable that so many Americans simply…..got bored….of being the strongest, most powerful, most economically prosperous, most influential nation in the world, and decided to elect the only person in the history of the nation who ran for president on an explicit platform of dismantling and destroying it all. Every other empire that I can think of in the history of the world declined because they were usurped by outside forces. Ours did it voluntarily.
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This is definitely trolling. How are we declining currently?
 
Silence Dogood said:
This is definitely trolling. How are we declining currently?
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Um, alienating our closest allies, aligning ourselves with Putin & Russia against said former allies, turning even Canada against us, gutting essential government workers and programs (like firefighters and weather forecasters for instance) and gutting essential vaccine and medical and scientific research, while not focusing on strengthening the economy despite GOP claims that it would be a top priority once Dear Leader was elected? Is that a good start?
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Um, alienating our closest allies, aligning ourselves with Putin & Russia against said former allies, turning even Canada against us, gutting essential government workers and programs (like firefighters and weather forecasters for instance) and gutting essential vaccine and medical and scientific research, while not focusing on strengthening the economy despite GOP claims that it would be a top priority once Dear Leader was elected? Is that a good start?
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Well measured response Mulberry. I was thinking of something a lot more bombastic, but you stated the case very well. Thanks.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Um, alienating our closest allies, aligning ourselves with Putin & Russia against said former allies, turning even Canada against us, gutting essential government workers and programs (like firefighters and weather forecasters for instance) and gutting essential vaccine and medical and scientific research, while not focusing on strengthening the economy despite GOP claims that it would be a top priority once Dear Leader was elected? Is that a good start?
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Thats all opinion, and misleading. Trump is calling for a cease fire and simply wants to start negotiating with Putin. That's it. You can talk with enemies. How come you guys don't blame other countries for not helping? He's removing excess waste. Instead of overreacting let's see how it plays out. Majority of people think their govt doesn't represent them. Remember Trump was very open on what he would do and people voted for it.
 
Silence Dogood said:
Thats all opinion, and misleading. Trump is calling for a cease fire and simply wants to start negotiating with Putin. That's it. You can talk with enemies. How come you guys don't blame other countries for not helping? He's removing excess waste. Instead of overreacting let's see how it plays out. Majority of people think their govt doesn't represent them. Remember Trump was very open on what he would do and people voted for it.
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I think the majority of people think Russia invaded Ukraine and we need to help Ukraine Orangeturd is berating Ukraine and Bizzaroworld asking for Ukraine to give us their mineral resources for some some dumb fucking reason???
 
Silence Dogood said:
Thats all opinion, and misleading. Trump is calling for a cease fire and simply wants to start negotiating with Putin. That's it. You can talk with enemies. How come you guys don't blame other countries for not helping? He's removing excess waste. Instead of overreacting let's see how it plays out. Majority of people think their govt doesn't represent them. Remember Trump was very open on what he would do and people voted for it.
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So our allies aren't turning against us? Canada isn't pissed? Trump literally chewed out the President of Ukraine and threatened him and he just wants to start negotiating with Putin? LOL, are you blind, dude? Other countries have been helping us help Ukraine fight a literal Russian invasion of their country. Have the Russians shown any interest in negotiations that won't give them control over much of Ukraine, a friendly Ukrainian government, and nearly everything they want? Are firefighters excess waste? Meteorologists? Social Security employees? Vaccine researchers? Nuclear engineers? Polls clearly show that most Americans don't support firing all of these people.

And a great many people somehow convinced themselves during the campaign that Trump 2.0 wouldn't actually do all of these things. And now that he is opposition seems to be growing, as these town halls even in deep red districts are showing. And Trump wasn't "very open on what he would do" - he actually lied repeatedly when asked if he had heard of Project 2025 and claimed that he knew almost nothing about it, even though his campaign was filled with Project 2025 people. You asked for evidence that we are in decline, and I gave you specific real-world examples. And as expected you just dismiss it all as nothing and continue acting as if nothing unusual is happening. To everyone with eyes who isn't a member of the Trump cult like yourself, it is painfully clear that Trump is a full-blown Putin stooge who wants Putin as a ally at the expense of our traditional allies. But continue denying it all you want.
 
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