Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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I think Putin was pleasantly surprised how easy it was to manipulate the electorate back in 2016. He feels he has the read on Western democracies and how to play them. There was just that little inconvenience of the 3 day operation dragging on three years.

If Trump were really an effective negotiator, he'd recognize he also has Russia over the side of the barrel, but he's too busy fucking with US allies.
 
Enigma94 said:
If you believe this then why give Putin the out by pulling our support? That don't make no sense.
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Because I see no reasonable path forward for Ukraine regaining their lost territory. The battle lines have hardened and have remained stagnant for 2 years.
 
Ramrouser said:
Because I see no reasonable path forward for Ukraine regaining their lost territory. The battle lines have hardened and have remained stagnant for 2 years.
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But that's Ukraine's choice to continue to fight or not. In the meantime we've spent a little over 10% of one year's worth of defense budget over three years and as you put it yourself Russia is the ultimate loser. Why would we pull support from someone who wants to fight that is pennies on the dollar in terms of defenestrating one of our two primary geopolitical rivals and probably the most evil regime on the planet? All that does is give them what they want.
 
Enigma94 said:
But that's Ukraine's choice to continue to fight or not. In the meantime we've spent a little over 10% of one year's worth of defense budget over three years and as you put it yourself Russia is the ultimate loser. Why would we pull support from someone who wants to fight that is pennies on the dollar in terms of defenestrating one of our two primary geopolitical rivals and probably the most evil regime on the planet? All that does is give them what they want.
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Peace is good. Lasting peace is better.

Russians are famous for at least two things - tolerance for hardship and patience. They would gladly wait a decade to reestablish themselves before trying again. They may do that regardless of the outcome of the Ukraine war. But if they see they can chew up portions of Ukraine at a time, they'll rightly see a path (albeit a long path) to swallowing the whole thing.
 
Ramrouser said:
Because I see no reasonable path forward for Ukraine regaining their lost territory. The battle lines have hardened and have remained stagnant for 2 years.
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Take the gloves off of them. Give them the tools and permission to retaliate in kind. Once Russian apartment buildings, hospitals, college dormitories, churches, hotels, museums, libraries, shopping malls and elementary schools start getting obliterated, the Kremlin will have to reconsider the situation.
 
Ramrouser said:
Look - Russia is the ultimate loser in this war. They were supposed to conquer Ukraine with "shock and awe" in a matter of weeks, not get bogged down in a 3+ year war. They've lost nearly a million men and their equipment has either been destroyed or exposed as sub par. It will be a decade or so before Putin or his successor could even contemplate a serious invasion of another county. All they've gained is the Donbas region, which will require billions or trillions to rebuild.

For this I give the Ukrainians a TON of credit. They've fought like no other ally of the US has fought using our equipment since the Russians in WWII.
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If you believe all that, then you should also give Joe Biden a ton of credit.
 
This is a real life tragic example of something that should only exist in a Sasha Baron Cohen parody.

On full display, broadcast live around the world, JD and don are overtly simping for a mass murdering despot, while a man, traumatized countless times, does his level best to give his brutalized people some shred of hope.

We. Are. The. Baddies.

ETA: if you can’t see that JD and don are Russian agents, your lack of observational skills, genuine or otherwise, is no one’s fault but your own.
 
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