Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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CFordUNC said:
It’s sadly ironic that MAGAts are now on the warpath of wanting the United States to leave NATO, when the United States is the only NATO nation to have ever invoked Article 5, and in fact, Ukraine sent troops to both Afghanistan and Iraq on our behalf- losing around 20 KIA- and yet we have not shed a single drop of American blood in Ukraine.
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Ukraine sent troops to our wars? Did not know that. A talking point that needs to be talked about.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
I think congressional Dems should be open to working with Republicans when the legislation is reasonable and achieves something productive but they need to stand strongly united against policies that harm their constituencies. The GOP has the numbers to do what they want. If they’re going to act against the best interests of 80% of Americans, let them own it outright.
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There's no point in negotiating at all if Trump can just impound the stuff he doesn't like.

I'm not entirely sure how Congress can address the issue, but until Congress does, there are no deals.
 
nycfan said:
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Unless Russia takes over the areas where the minerals are and is looking for international funding to extract them. But that would require Russia finding someone stupid enough to enter into some sort of joint agreement where Russia provides none of the funding but keeps all but a pittance of the "profits." Makes you wonder if Russia already has some mark lined-up and ready to be fleeced?
 
WaynetheDrain said:
I'm really finding it difficult not to insult your lack of intelligence. You really don't have a fucking clue about anything. Biden's plan was literally working as well as any plan could possibly work. He was dismantling Russia's military without spending a single American life. All it was costing him was outdated American munitions and weapons, which btw, we were being paid to produce. Meanwhile, Russia was slamming itself repeatedly into a wall, taking more casualties to its military, and the world was turning against Putin by the day as we ramped up political pressure on them.

And then Trump got involved from afar, Republicans began balking at helping Ukraine, and it became more difficult to get them the help they needed to continue the fight. And now with Trump in office, he's not only halted all aid, he's actually trying to paint Ukraine as the bad guys in this conflict.

What took place in the Oval Office the other day was one of the most embarrassing, disgusting, and amateurish things I'd ever seen from a sitting US President in a diplomatic setting. Trump planned this ambush out well in advance, both due to his idolatry of that evil dictator Putin and his lingering anger at Zelensky for the phone call that let to his first impeachment years ago. You could see it on Marco Rubio's face. It was a complete and utter travesty.

Trump never intended to sign a minerals deal to continue to aid Ukraine. It was never going to happen. What he IS going to do is pull all aid for Ukraine, allow Russia to finish their conquest of the country, and then split the minerals and resources with Putin as they strip mine what's left of it.

We are the bad guys in the world now. We are on the side of dictators and despots. And it's due to dumb fucks like you being allowed to vote.
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Agree completely. I've posted this before, but in Ukraine we had a great policy. We were providing them with weapons to kill Russians and tying Putin down into a long and bloody war that was devastating his military, and the Biden Administration and our allies had placed an embargo on Russia that was hurting their economy. And we didn't have to send a single soldier to Ukraine in exchange for all of this. Now in just two months Trump has undone all of this, deeply alienated all of our European allies, and we are now effectively Putin's ally in trying to rebuild the old Soviet Union. It's irrational, self-destructive, and is only serving the interests of Putin - yet that seems to be the goal of Trump and his administration. We've thrown away our closest allies to support one of our worst enemies (and he's still our enemy, make no mistake). Just total idiocy, but here we are.
 
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gtyellowjacket said:
About 20 Americans are KIA or likely KIA in Ukraine. About the same that have died in Iraq, Afghanistan and the NATO Balkan interventions.
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Were they sent or were they volunteers? I'm pretty sure Americans who fought for the Abraham Lincoln Brigade in the Spanish Civil War weren't considered military personnel.
 
Silence Dogood said:
But he didn't come to an agreement. Also, why didn't Biden get us out of this mess?
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I see that your "mess" comment has already been addressed by a few members, so no need to expand further on that.

But anyway, guess since Zelensky walked away without agreeing to the minerals deal, Trump ain't the great dealmaker you MAGA cultist make him out to be.

Of course it was never really a deal anyway and more like an attempted shakedown.
 
finesse said:
Then why did you bring it up? It was irrelevant.

I might as well spell out the actual point while I'm here. Our great ally, Israel, have killed more US military than they have had military die for us unlike virtually every other ally we have.
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Americans fighting and dying in Ukraine is irrelevant to you? Its relevant to me which is why I brought it up.
 
milom98 said:
I see that your "mess" comment has already been addressed by a few members, so no need to expand further on that.

But anyway, guess since Zelensky walked away without agreeing to the minerals deal, Trump ain't the great dealmaker you MAGA cultist make him out to be.

Of course it was never really a deal anyway and more like an attempted shakedown.
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Why couldn't the nobel peace prize winner Obama solve this conflict?
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Americans fighting and dying in Ukraine is irrelevant to you? Its relevant to me which is why I brought it up
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It's not relevant to this conversation because it's not a government action. Ukraine's government committed troops as an ally of the US. That's not the same thing as a few random people deciding they want to fight the russkies or Saddam
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Americans fighting and dying in Ukraine is irrelevant to you? Its relevant to me which is why I brought it up.
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In terms of national commitment it is. Whether it was the Lafayette Escadrille, the Abraham Lincoln battalion, the Eagle Squadrons or the Flying Tigers, to name a few, they were Americans but not American military. A couple were adopted by the military, one by the intelligence agencies and one was threatened with arrest, fwiw.
 
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