Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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Calheel said:
I think you are vastly overstating here. The US did not give weapons to Hungary in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968. We were fine fomenting dissent, but we never took the step of sending US weapons to Eastern Bloc countries. The idea that any American president would arm a country on the border of Russia would have been a complete non-starter until this millennium.
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He may indeed be overstating, but those two examples are poor. Hungary's 56 revolution lasted 11 days. There was no time for the US to give weapons had we wanted. The Prague Spring was never an armed conflict at all; it was a diplomatic/intellectual affair for months until one night the Soviet troops came in and took over.

Not to mention the fact that neither country shared a border with a NATO country, though that's tangential at this point.

Those two episodes say nothing about American policy because they were over too quickly for Americans even to have gotten involved. No matter what American policy was, it would have ended the same.
 
superrific said:
He may indeed be overstating, but those two examples are poor. Hungary's 56 revolution lasted 11 days. There was no time for the US to give weapons had we wanted. The Prague Spring was never an armed conflict at all; it was a diplomatic/intellectual affair for months until one night the Soviet troops came in and took over.

Not to mention the fact that neither country shared a border with a NATO country, though that's tangential at this point.

Those two episodes say nothing about American policy because they were over too quickly for Americans even to have gotten involved. No matter what American policy was, it would have ended the same.
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Fair points.

That said, the current arming of Ukraine -- at least in degree -- is unprecedented for America. Given that, it is hard to say what any former American president would have done if that person could have been transported to 2022. I suspect the policy would have mirrored Biden's but maybe Reagan would be a little more cowboyish.
 
I’m too old to start a revolution, but if China were to invade the U.S. tomorrow I’d probably fight on their side.
 
ZenMode said:
I think the world knows that Trump is an anomaly and not a reflection of the US government going forward.

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Possibly, but trade networks and supply chains are being restructured as we speak that are going to be very expensive to undo. The damage is lasting.

And it's true that there are a lot of racists and fucking idiots in America. If you don't realize that, you're one of the latter.
 
UNCatTech said:
That's not the impression I'm getting. They seem to be preparing for thus to be the new normal for US leadership.
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The Trump portion of my post wasn't supposed to be there. It was something from yesterday that I didn't notice. Disregard.

I was responding to the claims of misogyny, racism etc.
 
Ramrouser said:
62 first cousins…dang. I have 27 and I thought that was a lot. Most live in or around Rockingham and Darlington SC.
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I have 35 first cousins (or had….some have passed away as I am 70 and I am the second youngest of the extended litters.) Most still live in Union and Cabarrus counties with a few (or their kids/grandkids) scattered hither and yon.
 
www.theguardian.com

Russian officials criticised for giving meat grinders to mothers of soldiers killed in Ukraine

Members of Putin’s United Russia party in Murmansk said gifts were initiative of the women’s wing
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Local officials from Russia’s ruling party have caused controversy by presenting mothers of soldiers killed in Ukraine with gifts of meat grinders, an appliance widely used to describe Russia’s brutal tactics on the frontline.

The United Russia party in the northern Murmansk region posted photos on social media showing officials smiling as they visited bereaved mothers with gifts of flowers and boxed meat grinders for International Women’s Day on Saturday, which is widely celebrated in Russia.
 
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