Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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Its bad enough that Trump is going to meet a war criminal. But to meet him in the United States? Outrage.

Isn't Putin supposed to be arrested?
 
nycfan said:
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“Ukrainians will not give their land to the occupier,” Mr. Zelensky said in a video addressfrom his office in Kyiv, several hours after Mr. Trump’s remarks, which appeared to overlook Ukraine’s role in the negotiations.

“Any decisions made against us, any decisions made without Ukraine, are at the same time decisions against peace,” Mr. Zelensky said. “They will bring nothing. These are dead decisions; they will never work.”…”
 
Tahoe95 said:
Kind of like 1945............we are waiting to see how much territory Russia will get after a war based on post war negotiations between US and Russia.
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One big difference - in 1945 the Soviet Union occupied the territory it took and it had the world’s largest army; a battle-tested army, on that land.

The Soviets had wanted the “honor” of taking and destroying Berlin and Ike and most of the Western Allied leadership were willing to let the Soviets have that bloody “honor.”

Plus, the US wanted the Soviets to fight the massive Japanese army in Manchuria and as a threat for the land invasion of Japan.

The eastern half of Ukraine in 2025 is just a sell-out.
 
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Trump will attempt to put on his tough guy mask a couple of times and Putin’s just gonna:

xbox reek GIF

Trump’s already sold out the desperate people of Ukraine multiple times. I suspect he’ll sell them down the river with finality this time. If Ukraine doesn’t capitulate to Putin’s unbelievably bad faith imperialist demands and promises of peace, Trump will blame Ukraine and may begin actively supporting Russia, as oppose to secondarily by restricting ukraines promised military support.
 
Zoo_View said:
One big difference - in 1945 the Soviet Union occupied the territory it took and it had the world’s largest army; a battle-tested army, on that land.

The Soviets had wanted the “honor” of taking and destroying Berlin and Ike and most of the Western Allied leadership were willing to let the Soviets have that bloody “honor.”

Plus, the US wanted the Soviets to fight the massive Japanese army in Manchuria and as a threat for the land invasion of Japan.

The eastern half of Ukraine in 2025 is just a sell-out.
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The US had about 250k dead in the European theatre in WWII. Russia lost 90k dead in the 2 weeks it took to take Berlin. They had nearly 380k casualties.
 
BlueSmoke said:
For Ukraine, the war is not about land as much as its about permanent peace. Of course, land plays a part in a permanent peace. Therefore, Ukraine will reject anything that falls short of permanent peace.

Whatever Trump and Putin cook up, it won't be permanent peace. Ukraine will reject. End of this story.
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Georgia, Crimea, Donbas...Putin always wants more. It's not hard to understand.
 

Ukraine and Europe Counter Putin’s Cease-Fire Proposal​

European powers and Kyiv presented their own blueprint for ending the war in Ukraine, after Putin demanded territorial concessions and Trump said he’d meet with the Russian leader next week​


🎁 —> https://www.wsj.com/world/ukraine-a...c?st=UstTsK&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

“… Crucially, the European plan, which was presented to Vice President JD Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Trump’s Ukraine envoy Keith Kellogg and Witkoff, also stipulates that any territorial concession by Kyiv must be safeguarded by ironclad security guarantees—including potential NATO membership for Ukraine.

… Russia has been on the offensive for more than two years, and in that time conquered less than 1% of Ukrainian territory, much of it in the Donetsk region, while losing hundreds of thousands of troops in pitched fighting dominated by brutal drone warfare.

Embroiled in battles for the towns of Pokrovsk and Chasiv Yar since early last year, the Russian army is unlikely to seize the heavily fortified agglomerations of Slovyansk and Kramatorsk in the north of the Donetsk region anytime soon, according to most military analysts.

Handing over this strategic terrain, home to hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian citizens, in exchange for a cease-fire would mean that Putin, who has broken multiple cease-fires in the past, would be getting a windfall in exchange for giving nothing, said European officials from three countries involved in the talks….”
 
nycfan said:

Ukraine and Europe Counter Putin’s Cease-Fire Proposal​

European powers and Kyiv presented their own blueprint for ending the war in Ukraine, after Putin demanded territorial concessions and Trump said he’d meet with the Russian leader next week​


🎁 —> https://www.wsj.com/world/ukraine-a...c?st=UstTsK&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

“… Crucially, the European plan, which was presented to Vice President JD Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Trump’s Ukraine envoy Keith Kellogg and Witkoff, also stipulates that any territorial concession by Kyiv must be safeguarded by ironclad security guarantees—including potential NATO membership for Ukraine.

… Russia has been on the offensive for more than two years, and in that time conquered less than 1% of Ukrainian territory, much of it in the Donetsk region, while losing hundreds of thousands of troops in pitched fighting dominated by brutal drone warfare.

Embroiled in battles for the towns of Pokrovsk and Chasiv Yar since early last year, the Russian army is unlikely to seize the heavily fortified agglomerations of Slovyansk and Kramatorsk in the north of the Donetsk region anytime soon, according to most military analysts.

Handing over this strategic terrain, home to hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian citizens, in exchange for a cease-fire would mean that Putin, who has broken multiple cease-fires in the past, would be getting a windfall in exchange for giving nothing, said European officials from three countries involved in the talks….”
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“… The European counterproposal comes after a week of frantic diplomacy triggered by Putin’s overture to Witkoff. Hours after the two men met at the Kremlin, Trump summoned a call with select European leaders and Zelensky to brief them on the proposal.

On the call, Trump suggested that Russia would be ready to withdraw from the southern region of Zaporizhzhia and Kherson in exchange for full control of Donetsk, according to European officials from three countries familiar with that conversation and two subsequent calls.

However, Witkoff walked back that claim the next day in a call with the chief aides of European leaders, suggesting that Russia would both withdraw and freeze the front line.

On Friday, European officials demanded a third call with Witkoff to clarify the confusion about what Putin had proposed. In that call, Witkoff said that the only offer on the table was for Ukraine to withdraw unilaterally from Donetsk in exchange for a cease-fire. That proposal was rejected by both Zelensky and European officials involved in the talks.”

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Witkoff is incompetent…
 

nycfan said:
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“… The European counterproposal comes after a week of frantic diplomacy triggered by Putin’s overture to Witkoff. Hours after the two men met at the Kremlin, Trump summoned a call with select European leaders and Zelensky to brief them on the proposal.

On the call, Trump suggested that Russia would be ready to withdraw from the southern region of Zaporizhzhia and Kherson in exchange for full control of Donetsk, according to European officials from three countries familiar with that conversation and two subsequent calls.

However, Witkoff walked back that claim the next day in a call with the chief aides of European leaders, suggesting that Russia would both withdraw and freeze the front line.

On Friday, European officials demanded a third call with Witkoff to clarify the confusion about what Putin had proposed. In that call, Witkoff said that the only offer on the table was for Ukraine to withdraw unilaterally from Donetsk in exchange for a cease-fire. That proposal was rejected by both Zelensky and European officials involved in the talks.”

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Witkoff is incompetent…
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