Russia - US | Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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OGtruthhurts said:
boy am i surprised the usa is the worlds bully for the first time lmao

we've been the worlds bully since the end of ww2. you think this is the first time we have bullied another country? just because its on tv, which is carefully planned by mr reality tv star to give his maga sheep hard ons and you blue sheeps panties in a wad. ya'll are too damn easy and too damn controlled but congrats to both sides i guess.
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You're not necessarily wrong, but your cynicism distorts your perspective. I noticed the same in the Singles' thread and elsewhere.

I'm a fair cynic myself, but I don't let it loose my perspective.

Perhaps you get some perverse pleasure from it; I understand that, if so. But you really need to lighten up. Going through life this way is no way to live. We're already dead, as a true cynic would point out, but that's precisely why we ought not make ourselves so miserable the brief while we're here.
 
It was difficult to hear Zelensky. What was he asking for or saying that annoyed Trump/Vance so much?
 
Some of ya'll have already pointed this out, but this was a complete setup job by the White House. It worked just as they intended. To make Zelenskyy look like the unreasonable guy and Putin the practical, reasonable one.

I credit Zelenskyy a lot. He held up. That probably ends any hope of US support (which was going to happen regardless), but his strength signals to Europe that he's still a real partner. One worth supporting. Hopefully they'll step up and fill the gap.
 
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I’ve been arguing this is the end of non-proliferation for some time. We were signatories to the Budapest Memorandum and put Ukraine in their current predicament. Security in exchange for their nukes. Definitely a bad call for Ukraine, but who could have foreseen this kind of vulvar response from an American president?
 
ZenMode said:
So asking for some kind of assurance of protection if Putin pulls some shit again?
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He wanted to talk about security guarantees (which supposedly were to follow after the minerals agreement). Trump only wanted to talk about looting the country's mineral reserves (which has never actually been on the table, except for a silly MOU that would bind nobody).
 
i am beyond shocked that showman donald trump pulled out his fake tough guy persona on national tv vs a weakling.....just beyond shocked smh

your side lost...you can either man up and accept it or curl up and throw a temper tantrum every week when he does something to hurt your sensitive feelings. you are in the minority regardless
 
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