Russia - US | Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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lawtig02 said:
You mean except for the hope Putin would not attack US business interests in Ukraine?
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I mean except for we will own half of the minerals, the mines, equipment, and have thousands of people there scattered all over the country. If you think russia is going to attack that again anytime in the foreseeable future then I'm afraid you are just playing zzl games.
 
Callatoroy said:
I mean except for we will own half of the minerals, the mines, equipment, and have thousands of people there scattered all over the country. If you think russia is going to attack that again anytime in the foreseeable future then I'm afraid you are just playing zzl games.
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If you think any of that will happen, then you're just playing games.

What Z is signing isn't even a deal. It's the precursor to a deal, and both parties can opt out. There's no enforcement mechanism. The minute that the Russia threat is over, Ukraine can walk (which is why, I suspect, Trump refuses to give security guarantees).

There are no confirmed deposits anywhere, and the rumored ones are in the territories Russia will control. Even if there are, exploiting them would be expensive. It would be impossible at the moment, given the devastation to the country. There is no universe in which the Ukrainian people are going to allow the needs of American minerals companies or the American government to take priority over their own welfare.

Trump is getting nothing of value. Nothing. There's a reason why those deposits are not developed, and why there has been no interest in developing them.

This whole thing was just theater designed to rip apart the Western alliance and do Putin's bidding. Start to finish. Trump gave nothing, he got nothing.
 
Callatoroy said:
And Putin isn’t going to attack us companies that the US G’ment will protect.
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Do you seriously believe this? In a zone of armed conflict, in a country where Trump has refused to send US personnel as peacekeepers, US companies are just going to fly in and start work, trusting that Putin won’t mess with them because of an unexpressed threat of retaliation from forces that aren’t in theater?
 
The US just became (assuming brokered peace is the result)

less dependent on china for minerals
led the effort to end a 3.5 year war in less than 3 months in office (was joe asleep at the wheel? No, just mentally incapable)
solidified the US as the dominant leader of the free world
locked up the nobel prize for trump

Sadly, that is going to greatly disappoint many here.
 
Icky Mettle said:
I’m pretty sure that right about now, Ukraine is very much regretting giving up that third largest nuclear arsenal in the world.
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That begs the question - which nations will soon build their first nuclear weapons?

Germany? Italy? Japan? Taiwan? South Korea? Australia? Indonesia? Saudi Arabia? UAE? Turkey? Canada? Mexico? Brazil? Chile? Argentina?
 
BlooVooDoo said:
Do you seriously believe this? In a zone of armed conflict, in a country where Trump has refused to send US personnel as peacekeepers, US companies are just going to fly in and start work, trusting that Putin won’t mess with them because of an unexpressed threat of retaliation from forces that aren’t in theater?
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I think Europe will provide peace keepers for a period of time and the US will provide security assurances for its people / businesses / infrastructure. From the day a truce is signed, within 6 months the US will have resources in ukraine getting to work on mining minerals.
 
Callatoroy said:
The US just became (assuming brokered peace is the result)

less dependent on china for minerals
led the effort to end a 3.5 year war in less than 3 months in office (was joe asleep at the wheel? No, just mentally incapable)
solidified the US as the dominant leader of the free world
locked up the nobel prize for trump

Sadly, that is going to greatly disappoint many here.
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LOL LOL LOL LOL.

I've got bad news for you. There are no minerals in Ukraine. Ending a war on the aggressors' terms is not peace, except in the Neville Chamberlain sense. Absolutely nobody in the free world sees the US as a leader, which is sort of a prerequisite to being a leader. In fact, most of our allies in the free world are drawing up concrete plans to ditch the US and let the US work on its own.

Trump will never, ever, ever, ever win a Nobel Prize for anything. Again, capitulation is not peace.
 
superrific said:
LOL LOL LOL LOL.

I've got bad news for you. There are no minerals in Ukraine. Ending a war on the aggressors' terms is not peace, except in the Neville Chamberlain sense. Absolutely nobody in the free world sees the US as a leader, which is sort of a prerequisite to being a leader. In fact, most of our allies in the free world are drawing up concrete plans to ditch the US and let the US work on its own.

Trump will never, ever, ever, ever win a Nobel Prize for anything. Again, capitulation is not peace.
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Time will certainly tell
 
Callatoroy said:
Time will certainly tell
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Well, so far, every single one of my predictions about the economy under Trump has come true. Exactly as I predicted, inflation is up, growth is down, interest rates are high, a recession looms, and the US labor market is becoming terrible.

Don't expect me to be wrong about this.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Completely agree. But I think the fact that you're not seeing an explosive claim at A1 of the New York Times speaks to the credibility or at least the ability to corroborate the claims.
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Perhaps. But it’s either this or the pee tapes. As vain as trump is I’m almost believing the pee tapes reason as to why he’s sucking Putin off. Then again, both can be true at the same time. Trump became a Russian asset exactly because of the pee tapes. Which would explain EVERYTHING without much of a stretch of the imagination.

If not,then it’s simply all about the money and power. Which would also be Trumps M.O. And almost more insidious.

If not any or all of the above, if not one or the other, why is Trump sucking Putin’s little wee wee?
That seems to be the$64,000 question.

I have no reason the believe anything other than what the former KGBers are saying, with or without verification.
 
Centerpiece said:
Perhaps. But it’s either this or the pee tapes. As vain as trump is I’m almost believing the pee tapes reason as to why he’s sucking Putin off. Then again, both can be true at the same time. Trump became a Russian asset exactly because of the pee tapes. Which would explain EVERYTHING without much of a stretch of the imagination.

If not,then it’s simply all about the money and power. Which would also be Trumps M.O. And almost more insidious.

If not any or all of the above, if not one or the other, why is Trump sucking Putin’s little wee wee?
That seems to be the$64,000 question.

I have no reason the believe anything other than what the former KGBers are saying, with or without verification.
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What if Trump is just congenitally like Putin? A sadistic narcissist who cares only for power? Trump looked up to Roy Cohn too.
 
Makes complete since to crap all on the leader of the country that was invaded by Russia by saying he doesn't want peace because he won't just surrender to Putin. Did I mention they were invaded by RUSSIA?
 
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