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Bill Maher has been vocal about his frustrations with the Democratic party for a long time. Given the results of the last election (specifically among black and Latino voters), along with recent polling, it seems likely that he has a point.

 
ZenMode said:
Bill Maher has been vocal about his frustrations with the Democratic party for a long time. Given the results of the last election (specifically among black and Latino voters), along with recent polling, it seems likely that he has a point.

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First of all, this seems to be on the wrong thread.

Second of all, Bill is just one of many people who are trying to fit the election results into the stuff they already believed before the election. Bill often lampoons the far left and "wokeism" - sometimes correctly and fairly, sometimes in bad faith and for cheap laughs - and so it's no surprise that his take would basically be "see I was right all along!" Is he right? Maybe, maybe not. But some of the stuff he says is just as stupid as whatever bad takes he thinks he's criticizing. Take the passage at roughly 4:15 - "Kamala spent 100 days telling voters I know it feels like crime and illegal immigration are bad, but fuck your feelings and look at this chart." I would love for one person to give me one example of Kamala and her campaign actually doing anything like this. Or "maybe Democrats should stop talking about the Trump admin and actually try to figure out what went wrong" (Is his head in the sand? All I've seen from the election is constant theories from Dems about what they did wrong and what they need to do better). And most of the rest of what he says is either one-liners or meaningless pablum that is echoed by 1000 other people ("maybe Democrats should actually talk to people from rural America" - yeah, I've only seen that take about 1000 times in the last two weeks).
 
Good lord. It’s like some people think if Bill Maher gets quoted on this board EVERY FREAKING HOUR, he’ll somehow be more persuasive. We get it, folks. Bill thinks he knows what Dems need to do. He’s almost certainly wrong, but it’s not like his views are a mystery.
 
lawtig02 said:
Good lord. It’s like some people think if Bill Maher gets quoted on this board EVERY FREAKING HOUR, he’ll somehow be more persuasive. We get it, folks. Bill thinks he knows what Dems need to do. He’s almost certainly wrong, but it’s not like his views are a mystery.
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Nobody knows how to talk to the working class better than Bill Maher. That documentary he made, mocking their religions and putting them on screen to look like fools -- what a communicator!
 
ZenMode said:
Bill Maher has been vocal about his frustrations with the Democratic party for a long time. Given the results of the last election (specifically among black and Latino voters), along with recent polling, it seems likely that he has a point.

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The only point made was never understatement the racism, bigotry, sexism, greed and plain stupidity of the majority of Americans.
 
ZenMode said:
Bill Maher has been vocal about his frustrations with the Democratic party for a long time. Given the results of the last election (specifically among black and Latino voters), along with recent polling, it seems likely that he has a point.

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He's right sadly.
 
stankeylegjones said:
This is a shockingly horrible comparison. Jews + nazis and working class + democrats, seriously???
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The common ground part is the same. There is no common ground for MAGA. How do you find common ground with people that vote against their own best interests financially because they are blind with racism and bigotry? It's just sad that the majority of people in this country are racists, bigots, selfish, and/or plain stupid.
 
Did you watch the video? A point he made is a racist, sexist country does not elect a black man president twice and give a woman 3:million more votes. The left has embraced a wokeness that is rejected by much of the country, including POC.
 
Carolina Fever said:
The common ground part is the same. There is no common ground for MAGA. How do you find common ground with people that vote against their own best interests financially because they are blind with racism and bigotry? It's just sad that the majority of people in this country are racists, bigots, selfish, and/or plain stupid.
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Maher was not talking about trying to find common ground with maga philosophies.
 
heel79 said:
Did you watch the video? A point he made is a racist, sexist country does not elect a black man president twice and give a woman 3:million more votes. The left has embraced a wokeness that is rejected by much of the country, including POC.
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That is mind-bogglingly stupid analysis. Actually, it's the absence of analysis, which is what I'd expect from Bill Maher.

It's like saying that a person can't be racist if Michael Jordan is their favorite player. It's akin to "one of my best friends is black." It's like Trump saying that he loves women so how can he be sexist?

This entire campaign from Trump was the equivalent of walking into a bar and shouting the n word over and over again. That guy is racist no matter how many times he voted for Barack Obama.
 
superrific said:
That is mind-bogglingly stupid analysis. Actually, it's the absence of analysis, which is what I'd expect from Bill Maher.

It's like saying that a person can't be racist if Michael Jordan is their favorite player. It's akin to "one of my best friends is black." It's like Trump saying that he loves women so how can he be sexist?

This entire campaign from Trump was the equivalent of walking into a bar and shouting the n word over and over again. That guy is racist no matter how many times he voted for Barack Obama.
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I don't think Maher is saying what you are implying he's saying. He's not saying that someone can't be racist if they voted for Obama in the past - we all know that is a false statement. Rather, Maher is asking if everyone who voted for Trump is a racist. (Let me be clear, I don't think Maher is really asking/saying anything (locally) related to this. I think Maher is saying that the democratic party has lost touch with the "working class." But, that analysis is already in a different thread.) So, taking Maher pedantically at what he said, I'll ask you the question. Does voting for Trump make you a racist? Could there reasons, other than racism, misogyny, etc., that someone would vote for a person as despicable as the pos Trump?

Edit: To me, it's similar to the question of why some folks commit crimes.
 
heel79 said:
Did you watch the video? A point he made is a racist, sexist country does not elect a black man president twice and give a woman 3:million more votes. The left has embraced a wokeness that is rejected by much of the country, including POC.
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What “wokeness” are you referring to?
 
heel79 said:
Did you watch the video? A point he made is a racist, sexist country does not elect a black man president twice and give a woman 3:million more votes. The left has embraced a wokeness that is rejected by much of the country, including POC.
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Bullshit. The fact that Obama actually won twice is what made MAGA. They just started coming out to vote because Obama, seeing the LGBTQ get rights and treated as equals, and inclusion and diversity becoming a thing. They are so scared of losing their privilege of being a straight white Christian. It's facism. It has nothing to do with being "woke." Anything that treats people different from them as equals is woke to them.
 
stankeylegjones said:
I don't think Maher is saying what you are implying he's saying. He's not saying that someone can't be racist if they voted for Obama in the past - we all know that is a false statement. Rather, Maher is asking if everyone who voted for Trump is a racist. (Let me be clear, I don't think Maher is really asking/saying anything (locally) related to this. I think Maher is saying that the democratic party has lost touch with the "working class." But, that analysis is already in a different thread.) So, taking Maher pedantically at what he said, I'll ask you the question. Does voting for Trump make you a racist? Could there reasons, other than racism, misogyny, etc., that someone would vote for a person as despicable as the pos Trump?

Edit: To me, it's similar to the question of why some folks commit crimes.
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Greed and stupidity are the only other reasons. Don't give me the policy bull, either. There isn't one policy that Trump would have that would make things better for the majority of the country. And there are some things that are more important than policy, too. Like being a decent human being. Anyone who votes for Trump is either plain stupid if they think his policies will be better for the majority of Americans, rich and greedy, or they are a despicable person at heart, no matter how they may act in public.
 
Carolina Fever said:
Greed and stupidity are the only other reasons. Don't give me the policy bull, either. There isn't one policy that Trump would have that would make things better for the majority of the country. And there are some things that are more important than policy, too. Like being a decent human being. Anyone who votes for Trump is either plain stupid if they think his policies will be better for the majority of Americans, rich and greedy, or they are a despicable person at heart, no matter how they may act in public.
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You might be right. However, for someone who has been struggling to make ends meet, rational decisions are very difficult. (There's no reason for me to get into it here because there's been a long discussion of my thoughts, and others, on this in two other threads.)
 
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