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Hard to get too excited, given what is happening right now, about some possible plankton 150 light years away.

If we sent a mission there right now (hey Elon, we've got a job for you that only you can do in your unique wisdom!), pretty sure the human race would be extinct before it were to arrive -- even if we had an Epstein drive.
 
Hard to get too excited, given what is happening right now, about some possible plankton 150 light years away.

If we sent a mission there right now (hey Elon, we've got a job for you that only you can do in your unique wisdom!), pretty sure the human race would be extinct before it were to arrive -- even if we had an Epstein drive.
This is not about what I'd call "excitement," at this point, and I hope you're being facetious about the rest there. However, if this is confirmed it does a number of things for both science and our regard for our place in the universe that would be incomparable. No thoughtful person could ever again even glance at a night sky full of stars and think of what is out there in the same way. Dr. Nikku Madhusudhan, the lead scientist on this project put it in the following terms: "When we would look at the sky, we would see not just physical objects, stars and planets, we would see a living sky. The societal ramifications of that are immense. It will be a huge transformational change in the way we look at ourselves in the cosmic scene."

Now, admittedly, a huge number of Americans would not care much, and a lot of ignorant people world-wide would not care much. But what he says I think powerfully applies to thoughtful people who are interested in how we fit into our universe, and what it is really like.
 
Nature Editorial:

As Kamala Harris and Donald Trump face off, the fate of US democracy, science and evidence-based policy hangs in the balance.


Like all elections, the 5 November vote is about much more than science. However, the fate of scientific research, evidence-based lawmaking and the government’s receptiveness to independent science-policy advice will be key determinants of the country’s future course and long-term well-being. And, as we reported in a News Feature on 23 October (Nature 634, 770–774; 2024), US science could be at an inflection point: the election and a range of domestic and global forces could challenge the primacy that the country has held since the Second World War.

Knowing what we know now...

😭😭😭😢😥😭
 
Published last week separately 2 teams - one from Japan and one from Sloan Kettering used iPS and hES each that produce dopamine to treat Parkinson's via implanting the cells into subject brains - thus far no major adverse outcomes and some efficacy in Phase I/II trials.

... Here, we report the results of an open-label phase I clinical trial (NCT04802733) of an investigational cryopreserved, off-the-shelf dopaminergic neuron progenitor cell product (bemdaneprocel) derived from human embryonic stem (hES) cells and grafted bilaterally into the putamen of patients with Parkinson’s disease. Twelve patients were enrolled sequentially in two cohorts—a low-dose (0.9 million cells, n = 5) and a high-dose (2.7 million cells, n = 7) cohort—and all of the participants received one year of immunosuppression. The trial achieved its primary objectives of safety and tolerability one year after transplantation, with no adverse events related to the cell product. At 18 months after grafting, putaminal 18Fluoro-DOPA positron emission tomography uptake increased, indicating graft survival. Secondary and exploratory clinical outcomes showed improvement or stability, including improvement in the Movement Disorder Society Unified Parkinson’s Disease Rating Scale (MDS-UPDRS) Part III OFF scores by an average of 23 points in the high-dose cohort. There were no graft-induced dyskinesias. These data demonstrate safety and support future definitive clinical studies.
 
Hard to get too excited, given what is happening right now, about some possible plankton 150 light years away.

If we sent a mission there right now (hey Elon, we've got a job for you that only you can do in your unique wisdom!), pretty sure the human race would be extinct before it were to arrive -- even if we had an Epstein drive.
That, plus I’d guess most thoughtful and reasonable people already assumed myriad forms of life were out there, and eventually the science would substantiate that assumption (whether in our lifetimes or not).

I guess that’s why this doesn’t “excite” me all that much. Though the science of it is fascinating, it comes as no great surprise and seems to have just been a matter of time.

Now, proof of intelligent life… that would of course be a different story.
 
Brand-new colour created by tricking human eyes with laser

The ‘off-the-charts saturated’ greenish hue — called olo — has been seen by only five study participants.

Five people have been able to perceive a colour never before seen by human eyes, after researchers used lasers and tracking technology to selectively activate certain cells in their retinas. The blue-greenish hue has an intensity, or ‘saturation’, outside the natural range of colours seen by humans.
 
No thoughtful person could ever again even glance at a night sky full of stars and think of what is out there in the same way.
I consider myself a thoughtful person. I score pretty high on that metric. I don't think this would affect the way I think of the night sky one iota.
 
I consider myself a thoughtful person. I score pretty high on that metric. I don't think this would affect the way I think of the night sky one iota.
Many years ago, I did a rafting trip down the Grand Canyon where we slept under the stars. I'll never forget waking up in the middle of the night the first night and thinking, "What in the HELL is that???" When you've seen the night sky in its full glory, you're never the same, and I agree it doesn't matter at all what else might be out there. It's equally overwhelming either way.
 
I consider myself a thoughtful person. I score pretty high on that metric. I don't think this would affect the way I think of the night sky one iota.
Ha, both true to form 😁

One proclaims “no thoughtful person ever,” the other counters “not one iota…”

It’s a clash of the zzl sweeping-absolutes titans! I’m here for it 🍿🤓
 
One proclaims “no thoughtful person ever,” the other counters “not one iota…”

It’s a clash of the zzl sweeping-absolutes titans! I’m here for it 🍿🤓
Huh? What sweeping absolute? I was talking about myself and myself only. I cannot imagine any scenario in which my thoughts about our sky or outer space or what the medievals called "the heavens" would be affected at all by this discovery. In fact, I suspect I will forget about this discovery in short order.
 
Huh? What sweeping absolute? I was talking about myself and myself only. I cannot imagine any scenario in which my thoughts about our sky or outer space or what the medievals called "the heavens" would be affected at all by this discovery. In fact, I suspect I will forget about this discovery in short order.
Ha fair enough — it’s more the context of posting histories and styles for both of you, more so than the particular details here. You both tend to go very big and staunch with your language and positions, that’s what elicited a chuckle from me 😁
 
Ha fair enough — it’s more the context of posting histories and styles for both of you, more so than the particular details here. You both tend to go very big and staunch with your language and positions, that’s what elicited a chuckle from me 😁
Sometimes I do, agreed. I try to limit those instances to open-and-shut issues, like "can Congress overrule the constitution by statute?" but am perhaps not always as disciplined as I would hope.
 
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