SCOTUS case: Trans rights for minors

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ZenMode said:
That's how it's been until recently when the medical side, that the parents trusted for sound medical advise, decided "You know, this probably isn't a good idea".
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You mean when medical associations yield to political pressure from an administration provably ignorant about science and medicine. I think I'm done with your idiotic posturing for the day.
 
ZenMode said:
I hope the irony of your first two sentences isn't missed.

Nonsense. 99% of the population was not opposed. I'd bet that most Liberals and LGBTQ supported GAS for minors. Just read the opinions on this forum. Read the responses, like yours, to people who said "No, we shouldn't let children decide to cut their genitals off". The response, as you modeled above, was "You don't know anything. This is between the doctors and the families. This surgery is saving lives. We are following the research and you're just transphobic."

Irony.

Not any more, you don't.

You are either dishonest or haven't been reading the broad support for GAS for minors not only on this forum but across the Democratic Party.
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I would hope for your own sake that you have the mental capacity to differentiate between support of something and simply saying "i am not the person best suited to be making a final decision for something and someone to whom I have no connection".
 
What other things that virtually never happen should we base large policy and PR initiatives around?

I suggest that we outlaw good faith arguments by Republicans.
 
ZenMode said:
That's how it's been until recently when the medical side, that the parents trusted for sound medical advise, decided "You know, this probably isn't a good idea".
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Nope. You didn't read the Position Statement you linked, did you? You didn't. Of course you didn't. That's why you missed the section titled "purpose and scope of this statement." Let me paste it for you:

This document is not a clinical practice guideline. ASPS has not undertaken a formal guideline development process, including independent systematic evidence assessment, consensus panels, or strength-of-recommendation determinations. Instead, given the current state of the evidence and variability in legal and regulatory environments, the ASPS/PSF Board of Directors determined that a position statement, rather than a clinical practice guideline, was the most appropriate mechanism at this time.
 
ZenMode said:
Now you're just making things up.
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Let's look at the actual document:

This document is not a clinical practice guideline. ASPS has not undertaken a formal guideline development process, including independent systematic evidence assessment, consensus panels, or strength-of-recommendation determinations. Instead, given the current state of the evidence and **** variability in legal and regulatory environments,**** the ASPS/PSF Board of Directors determined that a position statement, rather than a clinical practice guideline, was the most appropriate mechanism at this time.

Part of the situation is that there are few places in America even offering trans medical care because of the administration's blatantly illegal funding holds. My wife's psychiatry practice is full of kids who were getting treatment but had their treatments discontinued because the medical facilities capitulated to Trump's goons.

Once again, you are wrong. And you will continue to be wrong until you start, you know, actually reading things.
 
Ramrouser said:
Also fun to review all of your dire economic predictions for the economy and the stock market circa January - April 2025.
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Huh? The stock market completely crashed. The only reason it came back was that Trump TACOed on the tariffs. The tariffs, as applied, are about half what they were as announced.

But sure -- we predicted that tariffs would cost Americans about $2K each. Instead, it's only a little more than $1K each. Winning! Also, job market is a disaster, inflation is high (and being understated), and Americans are struggling en masse.

A true golden age.
 
Ramrouser said:
Also fun to review all of your dire economic predictions for the economy and the stock market circa January - April 2025.
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Speaking of rock solid predictions from January 2025 --

Ramrouser said:
Working class Americans had a front row seat in observing what a Trump Economy looked like and they liked it just fine. Plus, they got a great economy without all the woke/DEI BS and without 10M illegal aliens storming the border.
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Where's the recession you and this board predicted - together with a stock market crash?

2025 was a solid economic year (US Bureau of Labor Statistics).

Consumer Price Index rose 2.7% - triggered interest rate cuts The board consensus was that the tariffs would spike inflation

Unemployment rate 4.3%

Wages rose 3.4%

Productivity increased 4.9%

Stock market $50,000

For 2026

Chance of recession reduced to 30%

GDP growth 2.2 to 2.5%

Inflation holding stead 2.2 - 2.7%

Unemployment hovering around 4.3 - 4.4%
 
superrific said:
Nope. You didn't read the Position Statement you linked, did you? You didn't. Of course you didn't. That's why you missed the section titled "purpose and scope of this statement." Let me paste it for you:

This document is not a clinical practice guideline. ASPS has not undertaken a formal guideline development process, including independent systematic evidence assessment, consensus panels, or strength-of-recommendation determinations. Instead, given the current state of the evidence and variability in legal and regulatory environments, the ASPS/PSF Board of Directors determined that a position statement, rather than a clinical practice guideline, was the most appropriate mechanism at this time.
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I did read it and what you posted doesn't change the fact that this is the first statement by the AMA or ASPS, or any medical body I'm aware of, taking a negative position on GAS for minors.
 
Ramrouser said:
Where's the recession you and this board predicted - together with a stock market crash?

2025 was a solid economic year (US Bureau of Labor Statistics).

Consumer Price Index rose 2.7% - triggered interest rate cuts The board consensus was that the tariffs would spike inflation

Unemployment rate 4.3%

Wages rose 3.4%

Productivity increased 4.9%

Stock market $50,000

For 2026

Chance of recession reduced to 30%

GDP growth 2.2 to 2.5%

Inflation holding stead 2.2 - 2.7%

Unemployment hovering around 4.3 - 4.4%
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It was not a solid year. Inflation is considerably higher than 2.7%, as the inflation data is basically bullshit at this point. They are currently interpolating more data than collecting. That means GDP growth is actually considerably less than advertised. All the economic data was bad until Trump fired the statistician and suddenly it started to get better, as if by magic.

The unemployment rate is not a useful metric because the lack of hiring means that unemployed people are being excluded from the labor pool when in fact they just can't get a job because nobody is hiring.

Meanwhile, take home pay is decreasing. The deficit is massive, as predicted, with Trump's policies making things worse. Business investment is way down, and what investment there is will not produce significant jobs. It was three short years ago that the US had a huge surge in investment in high tech industries. That has stopped.

Productivity growth is 2%, not 5% as your made up number would indicate. And here's what is happening to that productivity growth:

The latest U.S. productivity and labor cost data offer a clear illustration of the diverging trends underlying resilient economic growth – the so-called K-shaped economy. As of the third quarter of 2025, U.S. productivity grew roughly 2% from a year earlier, in line with its post-pandemic average and well above trends in other developed markets. Yet U.S. laborers weren’t able to capture the full benefit of their more productive work. Indeed, U.S. labor’s share of income fell to a record low in a dataset stretching back nearly eight decades – see Figure 1.

And it is universally acknowledged that the only thing keeping the economy afloat is AI spending, which Trump has nothing at all to do with.
 
Ramrouser said:
Where's the recession you and this board predicted - together with a stock market crash?

2025 was a solid economic year (US Bureau of Labor Statistics).

Consumer Price Index rose 2.7% - triggered interest rate cuts The board consensus was that the tariffs would spike inflation

Unemployment rate 4.3%

Wages rose 3.4%

Productivity increased 4.9%

Stock market $50,000

For 2026

Chance of recession reduced to 30%

GDP growth 2.2 to 2.5%

Inflation holding stead 2.2 - 2.7%

Unemployment hovering around 4.3 - 4.4%
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Where did you get any of this data? Wages did not grow by 3.4%. They grew by 0.8%.

 
ZenMode said:
I did read it and what you posted doesn't change the fact that this is the first statement by the AMA or ASPS, or any medical body I'm aware of, taking a negative position on GAS for minors.
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hahaha. You posted this, which was clearly refuted by the document you posted:

"That's how it's been until recently when the medical side, that the parents trusted for sound medical advise, decided "You know, this probably isn't a good idea"."

That's you. And now when presented with evidence refuting your claim -- IN THE THING YOU POSTED -- you do your moving the goalposts thing again. The fact is that none of these statements even purport to change medical advice. Not even slightly. They are policy documents written to please a vengeful and lawless administration.

You are such a clown. This conversation is over. You were hoisted by your own petard. Next time read shit before posting it, lol.
 
superrific said:
hahaha. You posted this, which was clearly refuted by the document you posted:

"That's how it's been until recently when the medical side, that the parents trusted for sound medical advise, decided "You know, this probably isn't a good idea"."

That's you. And now when presented with evidence refuting your claim -- IN THE THING YOU POSTED -- you do your moving the goalposts thing again. The fact is that none of these statements even purport to change medical advice. Not even slightly. They are policy documents written to please a vengeful and lawless administration.

You are such a clown. This conversation is over. You were hoisted by your own petard. Next time read shit before posting it, lol.
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Both the AMA and ASPS changed their views on minors getting GAS. ASPS did so more definitively, while the AMA inserted "generally" making their statement more ambiguous.

I don't know why you believe your post changes that.
 
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