"Severance" Thread ; "But I'm her, Mark. I'm her."

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Yeah that was 30 mins of "what the holy waste of fuck is this?" followed by about 7 minutes of OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So she's turning on Lumon (they said as much in the behind the scenes after the show). But is Devon aware of that or is Devon just stupid as hell? They love to end shows on cliffhangers. And the Eagens are all worse than imagined. I mean we knew they were bad but damn. So I guess the show really now becomes how to break Gemma out and end severance

But at least we know now why she said they fear her. They probably should.
(and is Sissy the aunt? I guess)
 
Incredible episode of television from beginning to end. That may be the best episode of the season. I think she is trying to claim her place as opposed to "turning on Lumon." I don't think she is with the "good guys" - she is certainly not on Mark's side.
 
I have no problems with this episode, but it reveals and resets a lot of things so suddenly. Harmony's mother knew she is an unrewarded, unrecognized innovator for Lumon; the source of Harmony's constant anger and resentment is now obvious. Harmony's mother lived with a sister (the great Jane Alexander) who is the ultimate true believer. Mr. Frolic is apparently on the trail to kill Harmony Cobel now, so the secret seems massive and dangerous to Lumon, and to Helena's father. Harmony seems to accept that Mark Scott/Mark S (one person now) is a weapon for her goals--but how much damage does she want for Lumon now? Too much to process for now.
 
p5mmr9 said:
Incredible episode of television from beginning to end. That may be the best episode of the season. I think she is trying to claim her place as opposed to "turning on Lumon." I don't think she is with the "good guys" - she is certainly not on Mark's side.
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Well the director said, in the behind the scenes, that she's slowly turning on them, but that what she has planned is still unknown.

Interesting that you liked the episode overall - I mean the last 7 minutes was a wow moment, but most of it was so slow and drawn out...I am like "yeah enough pretty shots of the coast. get on with the damn story"
 
It was an interesting episode. Didn’t hate it and didn’t love it on its own, but may end up appreciating it as a piece of the story.

What was really interesting about it, however, is that it took us out of the claustrophobia-inducing bubble that the show keeps us in. The show is generally limited to the Lumon offices and the homes in which the outies live. We never really see a vast landscape, or anything close to that. Before last episode, virtually all of the cinematography has focused on a very contained mise en scene, with most scenes taking place inside confined rooms or immediately outside of the buildings the characters enter and exit. And most of the outdoor scenes take place at night when it’s dark, which further limits visibility beyond the focal point of the scene.
 
Icky Mettle said:
It was an interesting episode. Didn’t hate it and didn’t love it on its own, but may end up appreciating it as a piece of the story.

What was really interesting about it, however, is that it took us out of the claustrophobia-inducing bubble that the show keeps us in. The show is generally limited to the Lumon offices and the homes in which the outies live. We never really see a vast landscape, or anything close to that. Before last episode, virtually all of the cinematography has focused on a very contained mise en scene, with most scenes taking place inside confined rooms or immediately outside of the buildings the characters enter and exit. And most of the outdoor scenes take place at night when it’s dark, which further limits visibility beyond the focal point of the scene.
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Even though it was outside, it was a stark, harsh landscape. The ravaged, decrepit town illustrated the bleakness and destruction left behind in the wake of Lumon's toxic, all-consuming existence.
 
aGDevil2k said:
Well the director said, in the behind the scenes, that she's slowly turning on them, but that what she has planned is still unknown.

Interesting that you liked the episode overall - I mean the last 7 minutes was a wow moment, but most of it was so slow and drawn out...I am like "yeah enough pretty shots of the coast. get on with the damn story"
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The whole series is mostly "slow and drawn out" - it's a character study with a few big mystery boxes. This week's episode is filled with narrative, so I'm not sure how you could find it boring. It is compelling - well written - well acted - and beautifully shot. Maybe the lack of Mark and the other main characters is a turn off for you. I really do hate the weekly release schedule.
 
p5mmr9 said:
The whole series is mostly "slow and drawn out" - it's a character study with a few big mystery boxes. This week's episode is filled with narrative, so I'm not sure how you could find it boring. It is compelling - well written - well acted - and beautifully shot. Maybe the lack of Mark and the other main characters is a turn off for you. I really do hate the weekly release schedule.
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Reading online it feels split... Slight majority hated the episode and how it was really only 5 minutes of anything that mattered and then a slight minority loved it for the cinematography


I want the story. I don't care about pointless scenes of her driving around Newfoundland
 
aGDevil2k said:
Reading online it feels split... Slight majority hated the episode and how it was really only 5 minutes of anything that mattered and then a slight minority loved it for the cinematography

I want the story. I don't care about pointless scenes of her driving around Newfoundland
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I just checked, and there are merely 2 minutes, 19 seconds of her drive to Lumon's origin factory and town. This suggests distance and setting and is filled with visual metaphors (ocean paintings were behind her desk before she was fired). You may be having an overreaction to not getting what you wanted, or to want what was in this episode (all of us want to get back to Mark, but if there is going to be some sort of attack on Lumon, Harmony Cobel is essential to that, and we have been needing more on her for a long series time now).

It was not "5 minutes of anything that mattered." I am not seeing much of any "hate" on things like reddit discussions. This episode over the remaining 37 minutes gives us: Where "cold harbor" is, that it is; Cobel's harsh childhood of service to the cult; her extreme precociousness and high intelligence, and creative inventiveness; her mother's doubts about Lumon as being good, transmitted and cultivated by Harmony; that she founded ideas that are now what Lumon is all about (to whatever degree, however perversely, immortality); that she was commanded to accept not getting credit for all this, kept it a secret, and now we have context on why she said to Helena that Lumon should fear her (huge information, as big as any single thing this season; that Sissy helped to enforce Harmony's childhood fanatacism and accepting not getting credit; that Sissy may be responsible for Harmony's mother's death; that Lumon once made money off addiction--which is massive relevance to our world and evils of pharmaceutical corporate power our world suffers from); that she wants information, badly, from Mark Scott/Mark S.

There is a lot more than this as well, and I think because you did not get the episode you wanted most of this may have not been apparent to you. Far from any kind of filler episode, this one exploded with information about Lumon's background and Cobel's massive role and her extant power to possibly attack them, now with Mark Scott/Mark S as a weapon.
 
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I loved the episode for its beauty and wider view of the destruction wrought by Lumon — Salt’s Neck looked like some catastrophe struck the village down mid-stride one day. Everyone left is old or elderly. Like Children of Men took place in a coastal whaling village.

The cinematography and props and sets were tremendous. The drive up the coast reminded me of the tracking shot in The Shining and the trip around the bay to Sissy’s house reminded me of The Birds. The interior of Sissy’s house and Sissy herself (the isolated and abusive religious fanatic) reminded me of De Palma’s Carrie — which was itself an homage to many Hitchcock films, but here to the stunted rooms of Carrie and Norman Bates, and the dead mom’s deathbed maintained, all fixed in time.

Anyway, Cobel being the inventor of the Severance process makes a lot of her behavior in prior episodes make more sense. It appears she may have developed it to overcome her grief at her mother’s death (and if Sissy can be believed, it was suicide while young Harmony was away in the Lumon school).

Now we see that Ms Huang is not an aberration. Lumon has a history of child labor and Harmony, like Huang, was a Wintertide Fellow as a child.

Salt’s Neck was an Lumon ether factory powered at least in part by child labor. The legend is that Kier met his wife while he labored in an ether factory. Now the ether is being used by remaining residents to get high (as it was when the factory was operating — Harmony claimed not to have gotten high on ether fumes since she was eight).

Has Lumon always been about detaching people from their consciousness but did it first with pharmaceuticals and now with tech?

BTW, I only recently discovered that the Lumon office building is a real office building in NJ that used to be the home of Bell Labs. It is the location where Bell Labs discovered the background microwave radiation noise of the universe (considered evidence of the Big Bang and expanding universe and winning the Nobel Prize for physics). Apparently the nickname of the building in its Bell Labs days used to be the “Black Box”.

Here is the Nobel Prize medal:

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Here is Kier on the the Lumon wall:


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Here is Kier in the ether factory (The Courtship of Kier and Imogene, which was apparently replayed between Harmony and her friend as children workers in the Salts Neck ether factory):


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Physicists used to refer to ether as a stand-in for whatever they assumed filled the empty space of the universe — from Wikipedia for a quick hit:

“Luminiferous aether or ether … (luminiferous meaning 'light-bearing') was the postulated medium for the propagation of light. It was invoked to explain the ability of the apparently wave-based light to propagate through empty space (a vacuum), something that waves should not be able to do. The assumption of a spatial plenum (space completely filled with matter) of luminiferous aether, rather than a spatial vacuum, provided the theoretical medium that was required by wave theories of light. …”

An 1887 experiment undermined belief in luminiferous aether, and later Einstein’s theory of relativity mostly dispensed with the assumptions about aether filling the universe and he postulated that light itself is a particle with wave-like nature (the beginning of quantum mechanics). But Einstein sort of redefined ether as the physical qualities of the universe (as curved space time) rather than dispensing with the concept.

Anyway, no idea if any of that inspired the writers of Severance but the Company being named Lumon and in the former Bell Labs building seems like it has to be inspiring some details, including the wave lengths of severed minds.
 

Step Into the Real-Life Lumon Industries, the Breakout Star of ‘Severance’​

Bell Works, the setting of the hit serial for Apple TV+, is now a tourist attraction, drawing fans to the architectural wonder.

www.nytimes.com

Step Into the Real-Life Lumon Industries, the Breakout Star of ‘Severance’

Bell Works, the setting of the hit serial for Apple TV+, is now a tourist attraction, drawing fans to the architectural wonder.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

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Weird timing that this article was published today …
 
an0maly said:
I just checked, and there are merely 2 minutes, 19 seconds of her drive to Lumon's origin factory and town. This suggests distance and setting and is filled with visual metaphors (ocean paintings were behind her desk before she was fired). You may be having an overreaction to not getting what you wanted, or to want what was in this episode (all of us want to get back to Mark, but if there is going to be some sort of attack on Lumon, Harmony Cobel is essential to that, and we have been needing more on her for a long series time now).

It was not "5 minutes of anything that mattered." I am not seeing much of any "hate" on things like reddit discussions. This episode over the remaining 37 minutes gives us: Where "cold harbor" is, that it is; Cobel's harsh childhood of service to the cult; her extreme precociousness and high intelligence, and creative inventiveness; her mother's doubts about Lumon as being good, transmitted and cultivated by Harmony; that she founded ideas that are now what Lumon is all about (to whatever degree, however perversely, immortality); that she was commanded to accept not getting credit for all this, kept it a secret, and now we have context on why she said to Helena that Lumon should fear her (huge information, as big as any single thing this season; that Sissy helped to enforce Harmony's childhood fanatacism and accepting not getting credit; that Sissy may be responsible for Harmony's mother's death; that Lumon once made money off addiction--which is massive relevance to our world and evils of pharmaceutical corporate power our world suffers from); that she wants information, badly, from Mark Scott/Mark S.

There is a lot more than this as well, and I think because you did not get the episode you wanted most of this may have not been apparent to you. Far from any kind of filler episode, this one exploded with information about Lumon's background and Cobel's massive role and her extant power to possibly attack them, now with Mark Scott/Mark S as a weapon.
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That was a super post. 😂

Like me, other people didn't like this one because it was just so slow. I personally don't watch shows for beauty. I don't have the patience

And I was reading BlueSky not Reddit
 
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Great post, nyc. I have noticed the "Previously on Severance" bit they run before the episode gives bits of insights from ALL shows. Watch this one with care. Yes to The Shining reference of the car on the road being followed. This show has many references to Kubrick films. Found this fan made thing:

 
The lowest rated episode on IMDb by far at 6.7. Previous low this season was 8.2 and the lowest last season was 7.7.

But obviously for the believers there was still a lot to enjoy.
 
Healing said:
I had nearly the same thought while reading the post, and I wasn’t the target, ie “what’s your deal?”

Some folks like to get geeky with Absalom! Absalom!; some folks would rather read Candide. No yuck on either yum is necessary, and saying “that one didn’t grab me” isn’t cause for personal criticism.
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Abasalom! Absalom! fan here.

Surely there is something in madness, even the demoniac, which Satan flees, aghast at his own handiwork, and which God looks on in pity.
 
nycfan said:

Step Into the Real-Life Lumon Industries, the Breakout Star of ‘Severance’​

Bell Works, the setting of the hit serial for Apple TV+, is now a tourist attraction, drawing fans to the architectural wonder.

www.nytimes.com

Step Into the Real-Life Lumon Industries, the Breakout Star of ‘Severance’

Bell Works, the setting of the hit serial for Apple TV+, is now a tourist attraction, drawing fans to the architectural wonder.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

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Weird timing that this article was published today …
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Oh my gosh. I believe I had meetings there one time in the late ‘90s.
 
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