Should Biden step aside?

HeelYeah2012 said:
Your charade of trying to spin Biden’s term as a success is cute and I appreciate your persistence. But Biden’s legacy was forever tarnished on November 5th when Donald Trump won not only the electoral college but even the popular vote y’all love so much.
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That was America's legacy that got tarnished, not Biden's. Losing an election doesn't tarnish your reputation, especially when you're not running in it. Being shitty at what you do does .He wasn't.
 
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CFordUNC said:
Hahahahahahaha Jesus Christ.

By that logic, I guess you can’t say that Trump had a successful first term, even though that’s quite literally all Trump supporters keep saying and was the whole premise behind electing him again, since he lost to mentally unfit Sleepy Joe Biden in 2020!
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Trump was well on his way to an easy re-election before the pandemic. There are plenty of presidents in recent history with more successful first terms than Biden's.
 
finesse said:
That was America's legacy that got tarnished, not Biden's. Losing an election doesn't tarnish your reputation, especially when you're not running in it. Being shitty at what you do does .He wasn't.
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I’ve seen many posters on here saying similarly that Biden’s legacy went down the tubes with the way this election went.

The primary thing Biden will be known for in the long run is that he had to be replaced in 2024 for being a vegetable.

That narrative could’ve been somewhat salvaged if Harris won, but she didn’t.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
I’ve seen many posters on here saying similarly that Biden’s legacy went down the tubes with the way this election went.

The primary thing Biden will be known for in the long run is that he had to be replaced in 2024 for being a vegetable.

That narrative could’ve been somewhat salvaged if Harris won, but she didn’t.
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Tangible achievements vs. the taunts of the sore winner opposition is hardly a contest. It's like the Bible vs. math. One's real.
 
finesse said:
Tangible achievements vs. the taunts of the sore winner opposition is hardly a contest. It's like the Bible vs. math. One's real.
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I’m not talking about the opposition saying that about Biden’s legacy. I’m talking about Democrats here. Go scroll the election results thread from after it became clear Trump was going to win.

Or actually you can start here on this smaller thread: Politics - Joe Biden is a hero thread

If me and WaynetheDrain agree about something it’s almost certainly true.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
I’m not talking about the opposition saying that about Biden’s legacy. I’m talking about Democrats here. Go scroll the election results thread from after it became clear Trump was going to win.

Or actually you can start here on this smaller thread: Politics - Joe Biden is a hero thread

If me and WaynetheDrain agree about something it’s almost certainly true.
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You can read my comments on the first page of that thread and I still stand by them.

I don't know either of you but I was an electrician's helper once. A neutral and a negative needs a positive.
 
heel79 said:
Trump was well on his way to an easy re-election before the pandemic. There are plenty of presidents in recent history with more successful first terms than Biden's.
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Are there? Like whom? I’m not even asking sarcastically, I’m genuinely curious. I’m a president history nerd- i’d love to learn a new perspective.

Biden presided over an unimaginably good economic recovery after the pandemic. He presided over violent crime rates that dropped to decades low. A presided over some of the lowest unemployment we’ve ever seen. I don’t think he has administration were perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but they were largely very, very successful.

And I agree with you, Trump was definitely sailing to reelection until his spectacularly disastrous failure in mitigating the pandemic. I am totally fine if people want to judge Trump as having had a successful presidency from January 2017-March 2020. I completely understand why people would feel that way. But his presidency did not end in March 2020, and from March through January 2021, he ran the most consequentially disastrous presidential administration in American history.
 
CFordUNC said:
Are there? Like whom? I’m not even asking sarcastically, I’m genuinely curious. I’m a president history nerd- i’d love to learn a new perspective.

Biden presided over an unimaginably good economic recovery after the pandemic. He presided over violent crime rates that dropped to decades low. A presided over some of the lowest unemployment we’ve ever seen. I don’t think he has administration were perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but they were largely very, very successful.

And I agree with you, Trump was definitely sailing to reelection until his spectacularly disastrous failure in mitigating the pandemic. I am totally fine if people want to judge Trump as having had a successful presidency from January 2017-March 2020. I completely understand why people would feel that way. But his presidency did not end in March 2020, and from March through January 2021, he ran the most consequentially disastrous presidential administration in American history.
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The unemployment rate in January 2020 was 3.6. it is now 4.1. Biden inherited a pandemic but the economy had bottomed out and was set for a rebound. I will defer to you on where his first term ranks but obviously Americans wanted change and that is all that really matters.
 
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heel79 said:
The unemployment rate in January 2020 was 3.6. it is now 4.1. Biden inherited a pandemic but the economy has bottomed out and wass set for a rebound. I will defer to you in where his first term ranks but obviously Americans wanted change and that is all that really matters.
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Did any of the other G7 countries rebound as well? What made the difference?
 
heel79 said:
The unemployment rate in January 2020 was 3.6. it is now 4.1. Biden inherited a pandemic but the economy had bottomed out and was set for a rebound. I will defer to you on where his first term ranks but obviously Americans wanted change and that is all that really matters.
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What does January 2020 have to do with anything? It was 6.4% in January 2021 when Trump left office. And it had been a hell of a lot higher than that for 1/4 of his presidency.

 
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