So-called Anti-Woke, Anti-DEI policy catch-all

[ZenMode]

Nothing whatsoever in Trump's policies is designed to limit teaching or promoting (for example) black history. It was ridiculous for the bureaucrats at the Air Force Academy to remove all references to the Tuskegee Airmen at the Academy. It was swiftly corrected as these heroes were a part of AMERICAN history. Yes, I am blaming liberal activists/bureaucrats for this issue because it happens to be true.

Limiting the scope of DEI programs does not equal erasing black history. Why must you assign the worst intent in everything this Administration (or its supporters) does? Do you not acknowledge that DEI programs needed to be curtailed and went too far? I'll admit that perhaps they were initially well intended but, in my opinion, ended up dividing us and wasting vast sums of money.

So far, I agree. There appears to be actions being done to make a statement. The statement may be that the EOs aren't clear or they are actions intended to make a political statement.

Black is not synonymous with DEI despite any political games being played stating otherwise.

 

[StrangePackage]

So far, I agree. There appears to be actions being done to make a statement. The statement may be that the EOs aren't clear or they are actions intended to make a political statement.

Black is not synonymous with DEI despite any political games being played statimg otherwise.

oh good, I was wondering when noted DEI expert Tacobo would weigh in on this issue.

 

[superrific]

Nothing whatsoever in Trump's policies is designed to limit teaching or promoting (for example) black history. It was ridiculous for the bureaucrats at the Air Force Academy to remove all references to the Tuskegee Airmen at the Academy. It was swiftly corrected as these heroes were a part of AMERICAN history. Yes, I am blaming liberal activists/bureaucrats for this issue because it happens to be true.

Limiting the scope of DEI programs does not equal erasing black history. Why must you assign the worst intent in everything this Administration (or its supporters) does? Do you not acknowledge that DEI programs needed to be curtailed and went too far? I'll admit that perhaps they were initially well intended but, in my opinion, ended up dividing us and wasting vast sums of money.

1. When you capitalize the word AMERICAN there, you are only proving that you have no idea what made the Tuskegee Airmen so great.
2. The idea that DEI programs were "dividing us" when literally their entire point is to bring us together -- well, it's par for the course for you. What divides us isn't the programs, but the virulence with which you castigate, mischaracterize, scapegoat and lie about them. The reason I know that they didn't go to far is that your team can't find a way to criticize them without lying about them.
3. Why must we assign the worst intent in everything? Are you seriously asking that question? Seriously? This is an accusation you make in the same breath that you blame liberal bureaucrats for Trump's policies, on the theory that they are trying to make him look bad? And it's us who assigns the worst intent, Mr. "Liberals Hate America"?

One important reason we assign the worst intent is that the administration tells us its intent, and it's truly evil. They are, in fact, following Project 2025 as we knew they were. The architect of Project 2025 was just interviewed by Politico, under the headline "more successful than my wildest dreams." And Project 2025 was pretty clear about its intent.

 

[superrific]

Hey, idiots, if these are all just mistakes, where's the corrective guidance? If you're managing an organization, and you give a directive to everyone in your organization, and you find dozens and dozens of mistakes, would you just correct those mistakes in secret and do nothing to prevent them from going forward? Because that's what you're saying Trump is doing.

Also, it would help your case that anti-DEI doesn't mean anti-black if you would stop accusing every minority of being a DEI. Ramrouser in particular wholeheartedly embraced the idea that the ship "might" have crashed in Baltimore because the mayor and a board member were black. Justice Jackson has been unabashedly described on this board as the DEI justice. Kamala Harris was DEI.

You can gaslight your wives, and your kids, but you can't gaslight me.

 

[Ramrouser]

Ramrouser in particular wholeheartedly embraced the idea that the ship "might" have crashed in Baltimore because the mayor and a board member were black. Justice Jackson has been unabashedly described on this board as the DEI justice. Kamala Harris was DEI.

You can gaslight your wives, and your kids, but you can't gaslight me.

That was not me. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't recall ever commenting on the Baltimore ship crash.

 

[nycfan]

“Until recently, a page on the Defense Department’s website celebrated Pfc. Ira Hayes, a Pima Indian who was one of the six Marines photographed hoisting a U.S. flag on Iwo Jima in 1945, as an emblem of the “contributions and sacrifices Native Americans have made to the United States, not just in the military, but in all walks of life.”

But the page, along with many others about Native American and other minority service members, has now been erased amid the Trump administration’s wide-ranging crackdown on what it says are “diversity, equity and inclusion” efforts in the federal government, a review by The Washington Post found.

Multiple articles about the Navajo code talkers, who were critical to America’s victory at Iwo Jima and the wider Pacific theater of the Second World War, were also removed, along with a profile of a Tonawanda Seneca officer who drafted the terms of the Confederacy’s surrender at Appomattox toward the end of the Civil War.

The purge, which also targeted multiple webpages about women and LGBTQ+ service members, highlights how aggressively military leaders are pursuing President Donald Trump’s anti-DEI mandate. Their actions mean that some of the most authoritative sources of public information about the achievements of minority service members decades before government DEI programs existed have disappeared. Some of the articles, including the piece about Hayes, remain online on websites or social media accounts for the individual branches of the military. …”

 

[nycfan]

“… Each of the web addresses for the articles about Hayes, the code talkers and others now redirect to an error page where “dei” has been added to the original URL. In some cases, this change had the effect of appearing to describe the subjects of the articles. The address for the article on Hayes, for example, now includes “deipima-indian.” The URL for an article about combat medic Charles Norman Shay of the Penobscot tribe, who survived the D-Day landings in 1944, now reads “deinative-american-fought-with-distinction-in-world-war-ii-and-korea.”

… An Army page recognizing the 442nd Regimental Combat Team, an all-Japanese-American unit that fought in World War II, was restored Saturday after its removal led to public outcry. The 442nd is the most decorated in U.S. military history for a unit of its size and length of service, the Army page said, with soldiers fighting on two fronts, “the Germans in Europe and the prejudice in America.”

The page recognizing Rogers, who received his Medal of Honor for service in Vietnam, was deleted for its apparent reference to his race. “As a Black man, he worked for sex and race equality while in the service,” a Defense Department news story in 2021 said. The deletion, which was noted on social media, was widely criticized before the page was restored. …”


This reads like a broad brush strategy or even AI that is labeling DEI and then some things get restored if there are enough complaints — intentional deletions with limited reversals, not so-called malicious compliance.

 

[superrific]

This reads like a broad brush strategy or even AI that is labeling DEI and then some things get restored if there are enough complaints — intentional deletions with limited reversals, not so-called malicious compliance.

It's projection. Conservatives maliciously comply. Especially MAGA.

Anyone who knows liberals should understand it's not really a liberal thing. I'd like it to be MORE of a liberal thing. I would consider maliciously compliance (though not in racism -- I would never delete Tuskegee Airmen to make the president look bad, for instance). But that's not really the liberal way of doing things.

 

[ZenMode]

Hey, idiots, if these are all just mistakes, where's the corrective guidance? If you're managing an organization, and you give a directive to everyone in your organization, and you find dozens and dozens of mistakes, would you just correct those mistakes in secret and do nothing to prevent them from going forward? Because that's what you're saying Trump is doing.

Also, it would help your case that anti-DEI doesn't mean anti-black if you would stop accusing every minority of being a DEI. Ramrouser in particular wholeheartedly embraced the idea that the ship "might" have crashed in Baltimore because the mayor and a board member were black. Justice Jackson has been unabashedly described on this board as the DEI justice. Kamala Harris was DEI.

You can gaslight your wives, and your kids, but you can't gaslight me.

The Trump admin acknowledging the political games of Arlington only gives it legitimacy.

If they're going to be dumb, they can own their dumbness for as long as they like.

 

[nrsair]

WWII basically hinged on who had the stronger codes, and the Navajo code was the only one that was never broken. The code talkers very likely won the Pacific theater for the US, but when they came home they went right back to the same shitty treatment they left and their service went unacknowledged.

Infuriating (but not surprising) that this history is being erased by the government they served.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

WWII basically hinged on who had the stronger codes, and the Navajo code was the only one that was never broken. The code talkers very likely won the Pacific theater for the US, but when they came home they went right back to the same shitty treatment they left and their service went unacknowledged.

Infuriating (but not surprising) that this history is being erased by the government they served.

Your understanding of cryptography history is inaccurate. The US had several code systems that were never broken including the Navajo code talkers. Some of those systems were somewhat fragile or so large they occupied a room, but they were effective and never broken as far as we know. Those types of systems may be suitable between military HQ's or between naval ships, but not so great clomping around in the jungle.

That was the real advantage of the Navajo as they could go clomping around anywhere the infantry could go and translate messages quickly. There were a couple other tribes like the Comanche that served a similar function but the Navajo was the biggest.

 

[Paine]

“Until recently, a page on the Defense Department’s website celebrated Pfc. Ira Hayes, a Pima Indian who was one of the six Marines photographed hoisting a U.S. flag on Iwo Jima in 1945, as an emblem of the “contributions and sacrifices Native Americans have made to the United States, not just in the military, but in all walks of life.”

But the page, along with many others about Native American and other minority service members, has now been erased amid the Trump administration’s wide-ranging crackdown on what it says are “diversity, equity and inclusion” efforts in the federal government, a review by The Washington Post found.

Multiple articles about the Navajo code talkers, who were critical to America’s victory at Iwo Jima and the wider Pacific theater of the Second World War, were also removed, along with a profile of a Tonawanda Seneca officer who drafted the terms of the Confederacy’s surrender at Appomattox toward the end of the Civil War.

The purge, which also targeted multiple webpages about women and LGBTQ+ service members, highlights how aggressively military leaders are pursuing President Donald Trump’s anti-DEI mandate. Their actions mean that some of the most authoritative sources of public information about the achievements of minority service members decades before government DEI programs existed have disappeared. Some of the articles, including the piece about Hayes, remain online on websites or social media accounts for the individual branches of the military. …”

 

[Mulberry Heel]

No, no, no - this is clearly just liberal bureaucrats and members of the Deep State conspiring to bring down Dear Leader by deleting minorities from websites to make him look bad. Really! Just ignore Trump & Musk & pretty much everyone around them having a long history of racist, bigoted, misogynistic statements and accusations made against them, there's no way that Dear Leader or Musk would approve of any of this stuff that is being done in their name!

 

[Paine]

No, no, no - this is clearly just liberal bureaucrats and members of the Deep State conspiring to bring down Dear Leader by deleting minorities from websites to make him look bad. Really! Just ignore Trump & Musk & pretty much everyone around them having a long history of racist, bigoted, misogynistic statements and accusations made against them, there's no way that Dear Leader or Musk would approve of any of this stuff that is being done in their name!

It is weird that all the usual suspects trotted out the lines about “malicious compliance” at the same time. Wonder what right-wing outlet was parroting that line in the last 24 hours?

 

[superrific]

Your understanding of cryptography history is inaccurate. The US had several code systems that were never broken including the Navajo code talkers. Some of those systems were somewhat fragile or so large they occupied a room, but they were effective and never broken as far as we know. Those types of systems may be suitable between military HQ's or between naval ships, but not so great clomping around in the jungle.

That was the real advantage of the Navajo as they could go clomping around anywhere the infantry could go and translate messages quickly. There were a couple other tribes like the Comanche that served a similar function but the Navajo was the biggest.

I actually believe that, for once, you know what you're talking about. You seem like a guy who would geek out about cryptography.

 

[ZenMode]

Looks like another case of malicious compliance.

 

[nrsair]

Your understanding of cryptography history is inaccurate. The US had several code systems that were never broken including the Navajo code talkers. Some of those systems were somewhat fragile or so large they occupied a room, but they were effective and never broken as far as we know. Those types of systems may be suitable between military HQ's or between naval ships, but not so great clomping around in the jungle.

That was the real advantage of the Navajo as they could go clomping around anywhere the infantry could go and translate messages quickly. There were a couple other tribes like the Comanche that served a similar function but the Navajo was the biggest.

Ah I thought the Japanese broke all of the big ones. I’d like to know more and it seems like you’re well versed, are there any good books you’d recommend?

 

[lawtig02]

“Malicious compliance” has to be the bat shit stupidest phrase that has entered the American political lexicon since “trickle-down economics.” How mentally impaired do you have to be to use a phrase like that seriously?

 

[superrific]

“Malicious compliance” has to be the bat shit stupidest phrase that has entered the American political lexicon since “trickle-down economics.” How mentally impaired do you have to be to use a phrase like that seriously?

Oh, I'm sure there were stupider ones -- we probably just don't remember them.

Plus, isn't "it's just a negotiating tactic" even stupider?

 

[gtyellowjacket]

Ah I thought the Japanese broke all of the big ones. I’d like to know more and it seems like you’re well versed, are there any good books you’d recommend?

Sorry. I just know a ridiculous amount of useless trivia and confirm it with google. I can't help you with book recommendations, but if you ever get me on your bar trivia team, you can go ahead and put your feet up and start dreaming about what you're going to spend that $25 gift certificate on.