So-called Anti-Woke, Anti-DEI policy catch-all

[superrific]

I suspect the first statement is more true than the second. I suspect it because we heard about it. It's not like there's a journalist anywhere that is daily perusing the Arlington national memorial web page just in case someone gets removed.

The only reason a journalist would know about it is that someone told them about it, almost certainly one of the team members that took down the page. And that's okay. Americans deserve to know and the administration deserves to get push back. I think it's an effective way to make Trump take accountability for some of these decrees and think a little harder about future ones.

It is not almost certainly one of the team members who took it down.

I know, this might shock you, but there are 330M+ people in the country. If 0.01% of them looked at that page, that's 30K people. Maybe one of them noticed and contacted someone.

The odds of it being a leak are much less, in my view, than the odds of user-detected error.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

I suspect the first statement is more true than the second. I suspect it because we heard about it. It's not like there's a journalist anywhere that is daily perusing the Arlington national memorial web page just in case someone gets removed.

The only reason a journalist would know about it is that someone told them about it, almost certainly one of the team members that took down the page. And that's okay. Americans deserve to know and the administration deserves to get push back. I think it's an effective way to make Trump take accountability for some of these decrees and think a little harder about future ones.

With the telegraphing of what Trump wanted to do and the adoption of so many P2025 items, it’s very likely that there are hundreds of people, more citizen activists than journalists, who watch this stuff on the regular.

 

[nycfan]

The only reason a journalist would know about it is that someone told them about it, almost certainly one of the team members that took down the page. And that's okay. Americans deserve to know and the administration deserves to get push back. I think it's an effective way to make Trump take accountability for some of these decrees and think a little harder about future ones.

Originally, probably, but now that the Administration is known to have purged the Arlington and DoD websites, journalists are perusing the wayback Machine to see what used to be there and comparing to the whitewashed sites. By using a “DEI” tag to mark urls for deletion, DOGE or whoever is running that is also making it easier to track through the hatchet work.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

Originally, probably, but now that the Administration is known to have purged the Arlington and DoD websites, journalists are perusing the wayback Machine to see what used to be there and comparing to the whitewashed sites. By using a “DEI” tag to mark urls for deletion, DOGE or whoever is running that is also making it easier to track through the hatchet work.

Excellent point.

 

[ZenMode]

1. Again, do you think maybe you're not understanding what dei is all about? It's not a fucking quota system. It's not about giving minorities a leg up.
2. I wonder when you will realize that most of today's GOP uses DEI as a derogatory term for minorities in general, without discrimination. It's not exactly the n-word, but it's meant to be stigmatizing.

My claim has been that DEI is about hiring/promoting non-white, non-male, non-straight, non-cis people.

If that is incorrect, then explain how DEI works and for whom it works.

 

[superrific]

If that is incorrect, then explain how DEI works and for whom it works.

It has been explained to you literally dozens of times. If you want to know, use the google. Or the ChatGPT.

I'll just point out that the oft-mocked "my pronouns are" is a DEI effort. Note that it has nothing to do with hiring, promoting or anything like that. It's merely a way to help minimize a stigma for people who choose to go by "they." Remember that ad, "she's for they/them"?

 

[4thgenheel]

With the telegraphing of what Trump wanted to do and the adoption of so many P2025 items, it’s very likely that there are hundreds of people, more citizen activists than journalists, who watch this stuff on the regular.

this exactly. unhinged "citizen activists."

a friend of mine works for the NC Department of Natural and Cultural Resources and this insane woman who actually lives near me out on the coast got ahold of a bunch of DNCR employee email addresses and sent them all a threatening email talking about how they better remove certain things from their website and dismantle all of their DEI programs and fire all of their DEI employees OR ELSE.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

Originally, probably, but now that the Administration is known to have purged the Arlington and DoD websites, journalists are perusing the wayback Machine to see what used to be there and comparing to the whitewashed sites. By using a “DEI” tag to mark urls for deletion, DOGE or whoever is running that is also making it easier to track through the hatchet work.

That is definitely a very plausible scenario.

 

[ZenMode]

It has been explained to you literally dozens of times. If you want to know, use the google. Or the ChatGPT.

I'll just point out that the oft-mocked "my pronouns are" is a DEI effort. Note that it has nothing to do with hiring, promoting or anything like that. It's merely a way to help minimize a stigma for people who choose to go by "they." Remember that ad, "she's for they/them"?

I see how DEI is functional in the world and the Diversity is generally referring to the workplace (non-white, non-straight, etc) Equity is generally a workplace reference as is Inclusion. Both are centered around non-white, non-cis, non-straight, etc.

The specifics of how you make one feel included are things like using their preferred pronouns.

Do you think that description, while probably not complete, is inaccurate?

 

[StrangePackage]

I see how DEI is functional in the world and the Diversity is generally referring to the workplace (non-white, non-straight, etc) Equity is generally a workplace reference as is Inclusion. Both are centered around non-white, non-cis, non-straight, etc.

The specifics of how you make one feel included are things like using their preferred pronouns.

Do you think that description, while probably not complete, is inaccurate?

The reason you haven't gotten promoted is not because of DEI.

 

[ChileG]

My claim has been that DEI is about hiring/promoting non-white, non-male, non-straight, non-cis people.

If that is incorrect, then explain how DEI works and for whom it works.

I’ve tried before, but I’ll try again in a different way.

DEI doesn’t say - hire a minority for this role.
DEI attempts to educate the hiring manager so that the manager doesn’t subconsciously exclude a minority for biases they may hold.

DEI is more than my example above, but in terms of hiring or promoting, that is how I understand DEI in both definition and how I see it work in my professional life.

 

[ZenMode]

I’ve tried before, but I’ll try again in a different way.

DEI doesn’t say - hire a minority for this role.
DEI attempts to educate the hiring manager so that the manager doesn’t subconsciously exclude a minority for biases they may hold.

DEI is more than my example above, but in terms of hiring or promoting, that is how I understand DEI in both definition and how I see it work in my professional life.

Right. That's how it is described. In the real world, being "diverse" functionally ends up being some combination of non-white, non-male, non-cis, non-straight. That's why Biden specifically chose, and called his shot on, a black female for SCOTUS. That's why he picked Buttigieg -a highly under-qualifed head of Dept of Transportation. BTW, it's not me calling him under-qualified. It's his previous employer, and liberal media outlet, Slate said he probably isn't even the most qualified blogger on their staff.

 

[ChileG]

Right. That's how it is described. In the real world, being "diverse" functionally ends up being some combination of non-white, non-male, non-cis, non-straight. That's why Biden specifically chose, and called his shot on, a black female for SCOTUS. That's why he picked Buttigieg -a highly under-qualifed head of Dept of Transportation. BTW, it's not me calling him under-qualified. It's his previous employer, and liberal media outlet, Slate said he probably isn't even the most qualified blogger on their staff.

I hire people in the real world and we have DEI in my workplace and I can tell you nobody has ever told me to hire a minority.
That’s the real world (as I said in my previous post).

But here we see again you ask for an explanation and when it is given to you, you just respond, “unh-uh.”

 

[ZenMode]

I hire people in the real world and we have DEI in my workplace and I can tell you nobody has ever told me to hire a minority.
That’s the real world (as I said in my previous post).

But here we see again you ask for an explanation and when it is given to you, you just respond, “unh-uh.”

I'm not saying you're wrong in what you said, but can you say that I'm wrong in what I've said?

What I'm saying doesn't conflict with what you're saying, does it?

 

[Tarheeljoe]

Sounds like in the case of Jackie Robinson the process is working as intended and that malicious compliance is "rare."

 

[Mulberry Heel]

Sounds like in the case of Jackie Robinson the process is working as intended and that malicious compliance is "rare."

Yeah, it really sounds like it's just those liberal bureaucrats who are doing all of this. Certainly people who believe that "woke cultural Marxism" wouldn't be in favor of scrubbing websites of minority heroes, would they?

 

[ChileG]

Sounds like in the case of Jackie Robinson the process is working as intended and that malicious compliance is "rare."

Has anyone discovered the origin of the oft-parroted “malicious compliance” excuse? I assume right-wing media.

 

[altmin]

GOP bill could ban hairdressers from giving gender-nonconforming haircuts to minors - LGBTQ Nation

The bill would allow anyone to sue someone who affirms a young person's transition, and it specifically mentions hairstyles.

www.lgbtqnation.com

GOP bill could ban hairdressers from giving gender-nonconforming haircuts to minors​

 

[Calheel]

GOP bill could ban hairdressers from giving gender-nonconforming haircuts to minors - LGBTQ Nation

The bill would allow anyone to sue someone who affirms a young person's transition, and it specifically mentions hairstyles.

www.lgbtqnation.com

GOP bill could ban hairdressers from giving gender-nonconforming haircuts to minors​

Headline is incorrect. Bill isn’t a ban but a copy of the Texas abortion law that allows civil suits against hairdressers. The Supreme Court really messed up by allowing that absurd Texas law to stand.

 

[sringwal]

Right. That's how it is described. In the real world, being "diverse" functionally ends up being some combination of non-white, non-male, non-cis, non-straight. That's why Biden specifically chose, and called his shot on, a black female for SCOTUS. That's why he picked Buttigieg -a highly under-qualifed head of Dept of Transportation. BTW, it's not me calling him under-qualified. It's his previous employer, and liberal media outlet, Slate said he probably isn't even the most qualified blogger on their staff.

But Trump choosing significantly more unqualified people for a variety of positions in his cabin is perfectly fine because most of them are straight white men?