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Not fair to Paine.
So-called Anti-Woke, Anti-DEI policy catch-all
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rodoheel
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Oh really? You think it's the Dems who spend all their time fighting culture wars? Tell me, how much does it help working-class whites to ban gender-affirming care and kick like 12 transgender people out of NCAA sports? Or to issue executive orders about Afrikaners in South Africa being an oppressed minority? Or to whine every time someone says "happy holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas"?
Duke Mu
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I mean we have...DATA on this, including mobility data.
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One of the issues that often eludes superficial analysis on how working, middle class wages don't keep up. Over time People in the upper middle class retire, including those who have moved up in income over their career. They are replace by young, working class, and middle class people. upward mobility has become more sticky as infrastructure and hiring dynamics have changed.
Billionaire Bros., including Pres. Musk would like to remove the ladders in society that provide scaffolding for upward mobility and set up a 21st Century proletariat state, including low wage immigrants in the tech field.
www.brookings.edu
To tear down government function and support for working and middle class in upward mobility is the intent. Musk is looking for low-age near you! ...or India.
rates of absolute mobility have fallen from approximately 90% for children born in 1940 to 50% for children born in the 1980s
opportunityinsights.org
Billionaire Bros., including Pres. Musk would like to remove the ladders in society that provide scaffolding for upward mobility and set up a 21st Century proletariat state, including low wage immigrants in the tech field.
Stuck on the ladder: Wealth mobility is low and decreases with age
Ariel Gelrud Shiro, Christopher Pulliam and Ember Smith expand on their findings in our new report on intergenerational wealth mobility in the United States by examining when opportunities for wealth occur during working years, and when those opportunities decline.
www.brookings.edu
To tear down government function and support for working and middle class in upward mobility is the intent. Musk is looking for low-age near you! ...or India.
rates of absolute mobility have fallen from approximately 90% for children born in 1940 to 50% for children born in the 1980s
The Fading American Dream: Trends in Absolute Income Mobility Since 1940 | Opportunity Insights
opportunityinsights.org
Duke Mu
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It's largely MAGA that's fighting the Culture Wars. Dems just milquetoast by and clutch their pearls.
UNCBAdookJD
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West Point eliminates list of student organizations:
As a former professor at West Point this one pisses me off like no other. They didn’t disband the French, German, Italian, or Polish clubs, but they disbanded all of these? Insane.
Class divisions seem to be endemic to any system of government. Ask the helots of Sparta or the serfs of medieval Europe.
The biggest single cause division ,if you consider religion single cause, is race hate. That's pretty much caught up in the whole concept of being the select of God. Not too hard to move from there to narrower definitions of just who that select is.
That's also the biggest separator between the the white working class and the Democratic party.
Can you point me to a working model?
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Hegseth also promised full transparency but then cut the livestream of the townhall as soon as Q&A began.Hegseth Uses His First Town Hall to Attack Diversity
The defense secretary, speaking to the Pentagon work force, defended his “unconventional approaches” to an audience that included women and people of color.
Hegseth Uses His First Town Hall to Attack Diversity
The defense secretary, speaking to the Pentagon work force, defended his “unconventional approaches” to an audience that included women and people of color.www.nytimes.com
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Speaking to a room filled with African Americans, Asian Americans, Latinos and white Americans, both men and women, he offered a full-throated attack on the military’s decades-long efforts to diversify.
“I think the single dumbest phrase in military history is ‘our diversity is our strength,’” said Mr. Hegseth, who served in the U.S. Army National Guard from 2001 to 2021 and is a former Fox News host.
He later added that he dismantled diversity, equity and inclusion policies at the Pentagon because they “served a purpose of dividing the force as opposed to uniting the force.”
… In recent years, the Pentagon has sought to increase the numbers of women and racial minorities in the military’s officer corps, so that it could become more representative of the enlisted force it leads. Mr. Hegseth has said such policies are unfair. …”
Giving birth is NOT a human universal event. Fifty percent of us can’t. Not all females give birth. Some want to and can’t. Some don’t want to and work to prevent pregnancy and still give birth. Some don’t want to and do. Many want to and do.
Is “hunger” a universal human event? Most Americans and Europeans don’t experience hunger; well, some say, “I’m STARVING,” and, they had breakfast and lunch and are waiting on supper.
Hunger is not missing lunch because you’re busy.
Many Somalis, Palestinians, Ukrainians, and others in impoverished and/or war-torn areas do experience true hunger.
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So, your stance is that the lack of a functioning society of this type is due to what? I'm honestly curious. Class and social divisions seem to me to be pretty endemic to most every member of the animal kingdom.
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I picked 12 because I had just seen a president assassinated, the reaction to the signing of the Civil Rights Act and Vietnam escalating. Yeah, my idealism and trust in society wore off pretty fucking fast
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Odds are exceptionally high that you will live your life that way no matter how you say or feel about it. You said above that capitalists are driven by forces beyond their control. I think idealism is largely in direct conflict with the reality that their are forces beyond our control. There are lots of forces beyond our control. Acceptance of that is not so much a loss of idealism as it is a realization of the realities of the human condition.
And while you believe that our ability to rationalize should separate us from all other members of Kingdom Animalia, I don't share that view at all. We are far from the only species to have rational thought. If anything, the drive for class, order, and division is heightened as a species becomes more sentient and rational. Humans are social animals. Social animals thrive on a class hierarchy. As much as we would like to think ourselves above that, we really haven't ever shown a penchant to do so or even move slightly in the direction of a classless existence.
Let me me add to this that the biggest thing that separates us from other animals, the ability to record and pass down knowledge allows us to do the same with pernicious myths.
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More theoretical than realistic though
ETA: I see you’ve discussed this with others. I’m not really trying to argue here but you would think the last 150 years have done a pretty good job of showing that a true classless society is not possible. Not to say that we can’t do better to lessen the differences between classes and shouldn’t try to do so.
A father’s experience during a pregnancy isn’t even close to a mother’s experience.
Let’s not equate motherhood with fatherhood as universal human experiences.
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Nobody ever said that you dingbat.
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Ban on D.E.I. Language Sweeps Through the Sciences
President Trump’s executive order is altering scientific exploration across a broad swath of fields, even beyond government agencies, researchers say.
Ban on D.E.I. Language Sweeps Through the Sciences
President Trump’s executive order is altering scientific exploration across a broad swath of fields, even beyond government agencies, researchers say.
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According to a program director at the foundation, who asked not to be named for fear of retaliation, a software algorithm flagged grants that included words and phrases often associated with D.E.I., including “activism” and “equal opportunity.” Other words it searched for were more nebulous — “institutional,” “underappreciated” and “women” — or can mean something else in scientific research, like “bias” and “polarization.”
N.S.F. officials were instructed to manually review grants flagged by the algorithm. Some staff members, including the N.S.F. program director, made a point of removing the flag from most awards. “I’ll probably get in trouble for doing that,” she said. “But I’m not in the business of McCarthyism.”
… Several scientists expressed concern that organizations within the federal sphere seem to be overcomplying, prompting confusion and resentment.
“They’re obeying in advance, they’re going beyond what the executive order says,” said Christine Nattrass, a physicist at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, who conducts research at Brookhaven National Laboratory and emphasized that she was not speaking on behalf of her institutions.
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That sense of compliance appeared to extend beyond federal institutions. Two decades ago, the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine, or NASEM, helped to highlight the issue of racial disparities in health care, with a landmark reportrecommending that minorities be better represented in health professions. More recently, NASEM participated in an ambitious effort to root out the use of race in clinical algorithms that guide medical treatment.
The quick retreat this week from a core mission stunned many NASEM employees. “D.E.I. has been at the center of what the institution has focused on for the last decade,” said one staff member, who asked not to be identified for fear of retribution. “It shows up in everything we do.”
The Academies are privately operated, but they receive a majority of their support from government contracts. Fifty-eight percent of their program expenditures came from federal government contracts last year, according to Dana Korsen, a spokesperson for the institute. …”