Super Bowl LX - FOOD, ADS, HALFTIME SHOW

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Ro Laren said:
I won't be controversial here. If posters here think Bad Bunny has great beats, I don't know what they're used to listening to. But I won't argue.
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Dude. You know we have similar music tastes, and my enjoyment of Bad Bunny is similar to yours.

But this was a Super Bowl halftime show. What do you expect? I didn't watch it because I know I wouldn't like it, and that's OK because it's not for me. If they crafted it to my taste, it would be hated by the majority of the viewers.

There are many, many artists who produce music that elicits from me the same reaction as Bad Bunny. I'm glad they chose Bad Bunny over all of them, because of what it represents.

Plus, there is no universe in which Bad Bunny is worse than, say, Sabrina Carpenter.
 
He's Not Here said:
That’s different than saying it’s bad. To say it’s bad, you would need an understanding of the genre, musical theory, etc.
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Only if you start from a presumption that all genres are created equal. There are plenty of ways of thinking about music that can answer questions like "is this good or bad music" even without knowing the genre. For instance, if it is derivative of some other music act but lesser in every way, that's bad. See, e.g., Def Leppard and Led Zeppelin. Or if the music is limited by an artificially imposed simplicity, like kids music -- nobody would claim that you need to know the history of nursery rhymes to think that "Mary Had A Little Lamb" isn't really a good song.

There are many other examples. I think pop music generally sucks not just because it lacks originality, but because it makes a point of lacking originality or emotion. That's a valid metric, though likely not universally accepted. And it doesn't apply to all pop music (assuming we even know how to define that). I think that Old Town Road is an interesting piece of music and does what it does quite well.

But yes, "I don't like it, therefore it sucks" is a constant temptation but is analytically invalid.
 
takingAdookie said:
Sorry I still don't get it and I don't know any Hispanic that watches the NFL, but I'm isolated in Chatham Co. I would think the Hispanic population that does watch the NFL is very small overall. It was an entertaining performance, but I wouldn't consider it music. It's just something else to divide our country even more and by the looks of it this morning that's exactly what it is doing.
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You need better homies.
 
We are such a navel gazing society of snowflake pussies to even have this be near a "controversy".

Good grief, the need for clicks and click bait and perpetual outrage is just absurdly exhausting.

I watched the show, thought it was fine, and think the whole kerfuffle is an example of why people are dumb enough to have elected trump.

"we" are these people and show it all the damn time. Smdh, but not going to get better any time soon
 
Ro Laren said:
The best part about it was a <1 minute stretch of strings and then Gaga’s Die With a Smile and the song that followed it because there was brass. I’m looking for positives. Other than those? Any music that relies that heavily on electronic production and synths, like almost all pop/trap/hip-hop, is always going to be ugh. Programmed drums, digital finishing. Nine Inch Nails and a handful of industrial BM bands have done it right, but of course there's more instrumentation.

Am I really getting put on ignore by posters and called racist because I didn’t like the Super Bowl halftime show?
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If you simply didn't enjoy the show, no one should say anything. That's simply personal likes and dislikes.

The people I have an issue with are those that didn't even give the show a chance because they are sheep and their cult leader told them it was bad because a brown man sang in Spanish, oh the horror. 😁

Where do you fall?

If I recall correctly weren’t you involved in some pretty knowledgeable discussions about music origins and death metal on the old boards?
 
Ro Laren said:
So your thought is that before we criticize music, we need to be knowledgeable on all the music that influences it?

That's a nice thought maybe, but not very realistic given how people consume music.

If I'm on date and decide to play Acherontas in my car (speaking from experience), she's not going to care to trace it back to its punk roots before offering an opinion. She's going to say she hates it. Based on what she's listening to right then, at that moment. Similarly, I took two friends to a Caspian concert once. They'd never listened to the band but tagged along with me. Stood at the back of the venue in misery the entire time. No bother caring to learn about Caspian's influences before telling me the band sucked.

People tend to process music quickly and form an opinion quickly. I don't think that's presumptuous, it's just natural. For most, it's not an intellectual pursuit. We're more likely to research an artist's influences if we like what we hear.

Almost all your criticisms of Country were related to lyrics, but you did mention autotune, which was probably used by Bad Bunny. A co-worker of mine said he saw him live in Puerto Rico in August and thought his vocals were off compared to then, which I'm guessing was an autotune issue with his mic. Then again, Ricky Martin sounded fantastic for his 30 seconds and didn't sound autotuned at all.
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In my opinion there's a big difference in saying I don't enjoy someone's music and saying someone is a bad musician.

The first is opinion or taste, it's personal. The second is something that is more than opinion, something that could probably be objectively defended or disproven.

To make an argument that a musician is a bad musician would require a level of knowledge to defend that position.

To say I don't like that artist music requires no defense.
 
takingAdookie said:
Most Bad Bunny songs are misogynistic and pure trash. Thats seems to be what the majority here like so whatever floats your boats. I wouldn't listen to his trash or Kid Rocks trash and I damn sure wouldn't justify eithers trash just because of politics.
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If you don't like an artist fine. If you don't because your cult leader says he's brown and speaks Spanish, then you are a sheep.

It's interesting that the right gets behind a piece of shit like kid rock and claims he's a wholesome influence, when he clearly isn't. Of course they also claim that trump is a Christian....

I've never actually listened to Bad Bunny before, but I've seen him in interviews and he's a much better person than anyone at that wholesome TPUSA shit show.
 
And regarding the whole, “he’s not American” complaint - gnoring that he is American…..

I didn’t hear these asides complain when U2 or the Rolling Stones performed at halftime.
 
Oddball said:
We are such a navel gazing society of snowflake pussies to even have this be near a "controversy".

Good grief, the need for clicks and click bait and perpetual outrage is just absurdly exhausting.

I watched the show, thought it was fine, and think the whole kerfuffle is an example of why people are dumb enough to have elected trump.

"we" are these people and show it all the damn time. Smdh, but not going to get better any time soon
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Nailed it. We some dumbsonsabeetches.
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Oddball said:
We are such a navel gazing society of snowflake pussies to even have this be near a "controversy".

Good grief, the need for clicks and click bait and perpetual outrage is just absurdly exhausting.

I watched the show, thought it was fine, and think the whole kerfuffle is an example of why people are dumb enough to have elected trump.

"we" are these people and show it all the damn time. Smdh, but not going to get better any time soon
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There was another poster here that liked to call people snowflake pussies? @OGtruthhurts, haven't seen him around in a while.
 
Here's what I think. I am more of a punk rock/hardcore/indierock guy - those are my core favorite genres. Bad Bunny doesn't check many of the the boxes of the music I really like (although I do really like a smattering of things from a lot of other genres - hip-hop, folk, bluegrass, alt country, 60s rock, 70s rock, edm etc.). I certainly didn't dislike his music (and could appreciate what went into it) and liked some of it. And I LOVED the show, despite that.

I think there is a difference between "I don't like his music" and "his music sucks." I am kind of a firm believer in the precept that there is very little music that you can say is "objectively" bad. So much is completely subjective.

That is why I will never confront someone when they say "I don't like that" in terms of a cultural artifact, but I will push back pretty hard (most of the time) when someone says "That is objectively bad." Because there is not a universal standard to judge these things by.
 
roostra said:
Here's what I think. I am more of a punk rock/hardcore/indierock guy - those are my core favorite genres. Bad Bunny doesn't check many of the the boxes of the music I really like (although I do really like a smattering of things from a lot of other genres - hip-hop, folk, bluegrass, alt country, 60s rock, 70s rock, edm etc.). I certainly didn't dislike his music (and could appreciate what went into it) and liked some of it. And I LOVED the show, despite that.

I think there is a difference between "I don't like his music" and "his music sucks." I am kind of a firm believer in the precept that there is very little music that you can say is "objectively" bad. So much is completely subjective.

That is why I will never confront someone when they say "I don't like that" in terms of a cultural artifact, but I will push back pretty hard (most of the time) when someone says "That is objectively bad." Because there is not a universal standard to judge these things by.
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Yeah, even if it's not your thing and you can't even understand the language, it can still be entertaining. Unless you're just a simpleton or a racist.
 
breepf said:
Why are you playing NSBM or NS-adjacent BM in the first place?
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Their lyrics are apolitical. They focus on occult mysticism and spirituality, if you're able to interpret it. Their lyrics are whatever. But their music is sooo fun. They did play at Asgardsrei in 2018 which is a NSBM festival in Kyiv. Ma-IoN (Formulas of Reptilian Unification) is so good I don't really care, I will never stop listening to that album.
 
superrific said:
Dude. You know we have similar music tastes, and my enjoyment of Bad Bunny is similar to yours.

But this was a Super Bowl halftime show. What do you expect? I didn't watch it because I know I wouldn't like it, and that's OK because it's not for me. If they crafted it to my taste, it would be hated by the majority of the viewers.

There are many, many artists who produce music that elicits from me the same reaction as Bad Bunny. I'm glad they chose Bad Bunny over all of them, because of what it represents.

Plus, there is no universe in which Bad Bunny is worse than, say, Sabrina Carpenter.
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I was wondering if you would weigh in on this Super. You know I value your opinions on all things music.

You are going to hate me for this, but I actually enjoy Sabrina Carpenter's studio version of Espresso. It's catchy enough, and comes off as such quintessential cliché pop, that it actually resonates with me. She is really bad live though. I don't think she would do well on a SB halftime stage unless they auto-tuned the shit out of her. She doesn't have enough strength in her voice.
 
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