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ZenMode said:
I agree that the freezing of funding, especially for businesses that contracted with the US, wasn't a good thing. It could have been handled differently and maybe the ATC situation has been made worse by cuts. I don't know. But the panic regarding the "hatchet" DOGE cuts was widespread. With the exception of some hurt by funding freezes, which wasn't a headcount cut, has there been any significant impact to federal government services? Have social security checks stopped going out? Have students been unable to attend college due to issues with student loans? Has there really been anything significant that warranted the panic?
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Who gives a fuck if any of this is true, it doesn't change the fact that:
1) This was the worst way to do this, for several reasons.
2) It screwed the people that lost jobs directly and those in towns where the primary employment was a government agency with other employment, indirectly.
3) It did impact some services and benefits, there's no possible way that many people were let go and the agencies upended and it impacted no one.
4) Bill Gates recently stated that Elon and his doge shit patrol are killing people by eliminating USAID funding. This was the catalyst for him upping his charity spending.

BUT, the biggest factor of all. The percentage of the federal budget that goes to pay for employees is 4.3% 4.3 fucking percent. And the percentage that lost their jobs was less than 10 percent, so that amounts to .43% of the federal budget. .43% fucking percent.

This is like you stating that your family has to cut back and you decide that not having one coffee a month is enough. IT MADE NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE in terms of the budget, the deficit, the debt, any of that. It only fucked people, it only fucked services, and it was all for show while the idiots that wrote project 2025 work to take us back to the 1950's when White Christian Men ruled and everyone else knew their fucking place.

So, STOP this fucking bullshit argument that any of this is good or made sense. It didn't, unless you are a white christian natioalist and behind the move back to the 1950's.

Had they really wanted to do anything about efficiency, there are way to have done it. The first thing would have been to actually understand what the departments do, what individuals do, the average pay, the ROI of the agency (not always in dollars), and the reason for the probationary employees.

BUT, if they really wanted to do anything with the budget, the debt, the deficit, then they would have started where the most impact could have been had, the military and tax policy.

So, basically your support of the doge shit patrol and Comrade Trump shows that you are a sad human being that wants to see other people suffer.

You can join Silence DoNothing at the saddest sacks of shit on this board. You are a sad human, when you enjoy the suffering of others.
 
ChileG said:
Well, most of the cuts that people were afraid of have been blocked, so that is what has prevented a lot of the bad stuff people panicked about from happening.
And, the cuts are only a couple months old so it may take a while for some of the bad stuff to materialize.
But, it is estimated that 3 to 4 million additional deaths (including tens of thousands of children) will occur in the next year as a result of cuts to USAID. I guess we shall see.
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thehill.com
 
ZenMode said:
Your melanin obsession is noted.
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So, you're so dense that you don't see how this disproportionally impacts non white people?

Maybe you missed trumps statements during his campaign where he said we should invite more immigrants from "Good" countries. Good translated to "White" in other comments.

Now look at the latest rise in immigration. Where is it from? What skin color are those who are benefiting from it?

www.bbc.com

White South Africans arrive in US under Trump refugee plan

Donald Trump says they are victims of "racial discrimination", which is strongly denied by South Africa.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

Your stupid repeated use of melanin obsession doesn't make you look smart, it make you look naive and uninformed.
 
ZenMode said:
I don't think your link shows what you think it shows.

Were some campsites closed temporarily? Yes. Were they all closed due to cuts? Not even close.

The first one listed is Great Smokey Mountain Park. I put in dates for early June and every campsite was available. Great Smoky Mountains National Park, Tennessee - Recreation.gov

Arches National Park has all kinds of tours available and the Fiery Furnce is giving out permits: Fiery Furnace Permits - Arches National Park (U.S. National Park Service)

Black Canyon of the Gunnison National Park, according to their calendar, has events every single day between now and October when they close for the winter. Special Events and Ranger Programs - Black Canyon Of The Gunnison National Park (U.S. National Park Service)

I could go on, but probably don't need to.

My life experience has nothing to do with it. I'm just asking if there have been reports of any serious issues?
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NONE of this matters.

It doesn't make a damn difference, you are missing the bigger picture while arguing over minutia and subjective opinion.
 
ZenMode said:
Of course race is more than skin color but the political discussion is virtually never a discussion about genes or anything, honestly, intelligent. If anything, it's a race to the bottom... pun intended. Who can generalize the most, sound the most simplistic and sound the least intelligent? Dems like to fancy themselves educated and informed, yet continually sound like freaking idiots when talking about race, which only puts them in line with the actual racists.

The majority of people don't even use race or racism correctly because the majority of Mexicans are part of the Caucasian race.
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Oh, the white Mexicans....
 
ZenMode said:
The majority of people don't even use race or racism correctly because the majority of Mexicans are part of the Caucasian race.
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Exactly how would it be different if one is racist to a White Mexican vs being racist to a Brown Mexican?

So, the next time you are going to be racist, you should go on ancestry.com and look up the person's history. You wouldn't want to be racist to a brown person with European relatives.
 
ZenMode said:
And yet still manage to sound less intelligent, likely because they are obsessed with it.

The difference is close to nil when you're someone who is obsessed with melanin and ignores the reality of what race really is. For the rest of us, it's a huge difference and, in most cases, makes true racism/xenophobia, as we see in society, ridiculous.

The racists don't care that Ernie Els is here. The racists don't care that Elon Musk is here because they're obsessed with melanin not science. The same is true with far too many democrats.
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SO, you being obsessed with contrarianism, where does that fall? Your being obsessed with claiming that racist are not racist because you know the word melanin?

You really should never use the term "the rest of us" as you are clearly an outlier, so stop pretending that you somehow fall into the majority with your ridiculous opinions.

Just like Silence DoNothing, you are a bad person.
 
UNCatTech said:
Who gives a fuck if any of this is true, it doesn't change the fact that:
1) This was the worst way to do this, for several reasons.
2) It screwed the people that lost jobs directly and those in towns where the primary employment was a government agency with other employment, indirectly.
3) It did impact some services and benefits, there's no possible way that many people were let go and the agencies upended and it impacted no one.
4) Bill Gates recently stated that Elon and his doge shit patrol are killing people by eliminating USAID funding. This was the catalyst for him upping his charity spending.

BUT, the biggest factor of all. The percentage of the federal budget that goes to pay for employees is 4.3% 4.3 fucking percent. And the percentage that lost their jobs was less than 10 percent, so that amounts to .43% of the federal budget. .43% fucking percent.

This is like you stating that your family has to cut back and you decide that not having one coffee a month is enough. IT MADE NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE in terms of the budget, the deficit, the debt, any of that. It only fucked people, it only fucked services, and it was all for show while the idiots that wrote project 2025 work to take us back to the 1950's when White Christian Men ruled and everyone else knew their fucking place.

So, STOP this fucking bullshit argument that any of this is good or made sense. It didn't, unless you are a white christian natioalist and behind the move back to the 1950's.

Had they really wanted to do anything about efficiency, there are way to have done it. The first thing would have been to actually understand what the departments do, what individuals do, the average pay, the ROI of the agency (not always in dollars), and the reason for the probationary employees.

BUT, if they really wanted to do anything with the budget, the debt, the deficit, then they would have started where the most impact could have been had, the military and tax policy.

So, basically your support of the doge shit patrol and Comrade Trump shows that you are a sad human being that wants to see other people suffer.

You can join Silence DoNothing at the saddest sacks of shit on this board. You are a sad human, when you enjoy the suffering of others.
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The increased inefficiency, lawsuits, muchos problems will cost far more to the taxpayers than indiscriminate firings. Canceling grants eliminates the 50: ROI and undermines US infrastructure, R&D, product development, health care, and innovation.
 
ChileG said:
Thank you for posting.

@ZenMode perhaps have a read.
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I get it. There are a lot of causes in the world. There are lots of in-need people My family volunteers at Feed My Starving Children, non-profit orgs that provide loaner clothes to the needy and other great causes.

The US can't save the world alone. The US can't protect the world alone. We can't have a very liberal immigration system and have the social safety structure we have. Hell, even Bernie knew that. We especially can't be 34 TRILLION in debt and pay for transgender plays for Colombia, or whatever it was.

Changes need to be made and when the educated and intelligent, as @superrific calls them, refuse to be responsible, well, this is what happens.
 
ZenMode said:
Changes need to be made
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This is correct. The historical record is quite clear that right-wingers fuck everything up. We were at our best as a nation when there were educated and intelligent people on both sides. Sigh. Those days are gone. Some of the GOPers are smarter than they let on, but they feel the need to cosplay as rural idiots (e.g. Kennedy from LA) because MAGA is driven by the uneducated.
 
superrific said:
This is correct. The historical record is quite clear that right-wingers fuck everything up. We were at our best as a nation when there were educated and intelligent people on both sides. Sigh. Those days are gone. Some of the GOPers are smarter than they let on, but they feel the need to cosplay as rural idiots (e.g. Kennedy from LA) because MAGA is driven by the uneducated.
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The deficits/debt didn't start with MAGA. The national debt has been growing for decades, but really took off starting around 2008 - long before Trump was even on the political scene.

Do you really believe that the average Tea Partier was smarter than the average Congressman?
 
ZenMode said:
I get it. There are a lot of causes in the world. There are lots of in-need people My family volunteers at Feed My Starving Children, non-profit orgs that provide loaner clothes to the needy and other great causes.

The US can't save the world alone. The US can't protect the world alone. We can't have a very liberal immigration system and have the social safety structure we have. Hell, even Bernie knew that. We especially can't be 34 TRILLION in debt and pay for transgender plays for Colombia, or whatever it was.

Changes need to be made and when the educated and intelligent, as @superrific calls them, refuse to be responsible, well, this is what happens.
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Pretty much every military leader we have had for last several decades will tell you to spend money on aid now for these impoverished people or spend 10x that much fighting a war against them in the future.
So, I’m not sure you do get it.

Regardless, I recommended you read in response to your insistence that nobody is being hurt by DOGE.
 
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ZenMode said:
The deficits/debt didn't start with MAGA. The national debt has been growing for decades, but really took off starting around 2008 - long before Trump was even on the political scene.

Do you really believe that the average Tea Partier was smarter than the average Congressman?
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Causes of largest debt increases.

Civil War
WWI and II
1980s with Reagan’s tax cuts
Early 2000s with Bush tax cuts and Iraq and Afghanistan wars
2008 financial crisis
Trump tax cuts
COVID
 
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