Tariffs Catch-All

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ZenMode said:
The deficits/debt didn't start with MAGA. The national debt has been growing for decades, but really took off starting around 2008 - long before Trump was even on the political scene.

Do you really believe that the average Tea Partier was smarter than the average Congressman?
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Trump inherited a sub-$600 billion deficit when he took office in 2017.
 
Oh, the tariffs are back. Surprise! He's going to send letters to countries informing them of the new price structure. Turns out 90 deals in 90 days was unrealistic. Who could have figured that out? He got 0.5 deals, so I guess that's something.

How long until these tariffs also go away?
 
superrific said:
Oh, the tariffs are back. Surprise! He's going to send letters to countries informing them of the new price structure. Turns out 90 deals in 90 days was unrealistic. Who could have figured that out? He got 0.5 deals, so I guess that's something.

How long until these tariffs also go away?
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We have as much as half a deal?
 
ZenMode said:
I don't think your link shows what you think it shows.

Were some campsites closed temporarily? Yes. Were they all closed due to cuts? Not even close.

The first one listed is Great Smokey Mountain Park. I put in dates for early June and every campsite was available. Great Smoky Mountains National Park, Tennessee - Recreation.gov

Arches National Park has all kinds of tours available and the Fiery Furnce is giving out permits: Fiery Furnace Permits - Arches National Park (U.S. National Park Service)

Black Canyon of the Gunnison National Park, according to their calendar, has events every single day between now and October when they close for the winter. Special Events and Ranger Programs - Black Canyon Of The Gunnison National Park (U.S. National Park Service)

I could go on, but probably don't need to.

My life experience has nothing to do with it. I'm just asking if there have been reports of any serious issues?
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super really nailed it. "if i don't see/experience it, it doesn't exist" - the world according to you.

one of my best friends works for USFWS and like half of the 10 or so refuges here in ENC are completely unstaffed right now due to the DOGE bullshit.

staff from other refuges are being forced to go do essential work on those refuges or it isn't getting done at all.

these kinds of situations are rampant right now with regard to basically all parks/lands under DOI supervision.
 
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nycfan said:
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Anyone who thinks any retailer could eat a 30% cost is a fool. As always it is never clear whether Trump has no financial sense or if he is just playing the bully to blame blame elsewhere.

Profit margins are not that high. Walmart’s gross profit margin is higher than I would have guessed (25%) but that would be a loss before even considering operating costs.

Walmart isn’t in the business of going bankrupt.

They can eat some of the cost but no way that they could eat that much. Medium term they might adjust what products they offer to avoid products that have such high tariff but short term they have to raise prices.
 
Come on Democrats. This is too easy. There are just so many ways to remind the public that Trump promised that we wouldn't be paying for the tariffs.

Reminiscent of his "Mexico will pay for the wall" promise.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
Anyone who thinks any retailer could eat a 30% cost is a fool. As always it is never clear whether Trump has no financial sense or if he is just playing the bully to blame blame elsewhere.

Profit margins are not that high. Walmart’s gross profit margin is higher than I would have guessed (25%) but that would be a loss before even considering operating costs.

Walmart isn’t in the business of going bankrupt.

They can eat some of the cost but no way that they could eat that much. Medium term they might adjust what products they offer to avoid products that have such high tariff but short term they have to raise prices.
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Yeah, Trump has successfully bullied some law firms, universities, news outlets, corporations, etc. into backing down and doing his bidding, but when his trade wars start affecting the profits of corporations he's not going to be able to bully them into keeping their prices lower, no matter what he threatens to do. And of course the reason he's so mad is that he doesn't want the American people - and especially his base, which buys at places like Walmart - to actually start feeling the effects of his tariffs. As long as they're not feeling any pain then MAGA Nation can just keep pretending that all is well.
 
BlueSmoke said:
Come on Democrats. This is too easy. There are just so many ways to remind the public that Trump promised that we wouldn't be paying for the tariffs.

Reminiscent of his "Mexico will pay for the wall" promise.
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POTUS has a bully pulpit - especially this bully of a POTUS.

How many Democrats have a nationwide bully pulpit?

Please name them.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
Anyone who thinks any retailer could eat a 30% cost is a fool. As always it is never clear whether Trump has no financial sense or if he is just playing the bully to blame blame elsewhere.

Profit margins are not that high. Walmart’s gross profit margin is higher than I would have guessed (25%) but that would be a loss before even considering operating costs.

Walmart isn’t in the business of going bankrupt.

They can eat some of the cost but no way that they could eat that much. Medium term they might adjust what products they offer to avoid products that have such high tariff but short term they have to raise prices.
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They wouldn't be eating it anyway, it has to be paid, even if they cut margins and don't pass it on to customers, it's money that cannot be used for other things and will ultimately impact the company negatively.

Maybe they have to reduce staff, maybe they don't open new stores and therefore do create new jobs. Any way you slice it, the tariffs are costing business and consumers and are hurting all Americans.
 
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Tariffs aimed at bringing business back to the U.S. are actually driving it to Canada

While many Canadian companies are hurting because of the trade war, some are booming as clients look for ways to avoid doing business in the U.S.
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Tariffs aimed at bringing business back to the U.S. are actually driving it to Canada​

While many Canadian companies are hurting because of the trade war, some are booming as clients look for ways to avoid doing business in the U.S.
 
nycfan said:
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So Trump is basically admitting that his tariffs only work if the companies paying them agree to eat the extra tax instead of raising their own prices to remain profitable. Which is the EXACT THING every economist has been saying since the beginning about why blanket tariffs are a lousy idea that will only result in a tax on the American consumer.
 
DiehardHeelFan said:
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I'm happy to see them making it visible, but call it a tariff charge, so many of the cult will not understand import charges and know to blame the government instead of the importers.

Also, if trump wants walmart to pay more maybe consider raising corporate taxes back to where they were instead of paying stupid games.
 
UNCatTech said:
I'm happy to see them making it visible, but call it a tariff charge, so many of the cult will not understand import charges and know to blame the government instead of the importers.

Also, if trump wants walmart to pay more maybe consider raising corporate taxes back to where they were instead of paying stupid games.
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Yeah, rather than call them a tariff or import charge, refer to it as the Trump tax.
 
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