Tariffs Catch-All

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superrific said:
Please don't try to lecture me about the constitution. I'm fully aware of the threat.

But states still can't do trade deals. How wouldq1 that even work? If the constitution means nothing, then Trump would just shut it down. If the constitution does mean something, they aren't allowed. Why would any foreign nation commit to a treaty with a state, when the likelihood of getting any benefits from it are low (because the trade deal is illegal and/or contrary to federal policy).

In addition, states' free trade deals would not be able to overcome federal tariffs (which as a practical matter get levied at ports of entry), so what would be the point?
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I didnt lecture you about a thing. I expressed an opinion about your lecture.

I don't even lecture my own students.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I didnt lecture you about a thing. I expressed an opinion about your lecture.

I don't even lecture my own students.
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"You seem to be disillusioned as to the Constitution having any weight at all in this moment in history. It doesn't," is a lecture. In that sentence, you are placing yourself as the authority, correcting "disillusioned" me.

If you were expressing an opinion, you would say, "I don't know if the Constitution has any weight."

You weren't aware of that provision in Article I. Why not just admit it? Instead, you decided to say that the constitution doesn't matter, which is silly and in denial about how things work even in a corrupt oligarchy, and took a condescending tone to boot. And I'm sensing a Zenmode digression from you about the meaning of the word lecture.
 
altmin said:

Ontario’s Ford suspends U.S. electric surcharge, says Lutnick agrees to trade talks​

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This is the stupidest time line. What we're seeing here is that everyone on both sides knows that nobody actually wants tariffs. But Trump wrote a check he can't cash, and is therefore insisting on this stupid in-and-out dance. And Canada is responding tit for tat -- especially Ford, who is temperamentally similar to Trump.

So they threaten nonsense to get to trade talks, which we could have had all along, and the trade talks are going to change nothing, because it was never serious in the first place.
 
superrific said:
"You seem to be disillusioned as to the Constitution having any weight at all in this moment in history. It doesn't," is a lecture. In that sentence, you are placing yourself as the authority, correcting "disillusioned" me.

If you were expressing an opinion, you would say, "I don't know if the Constitution has any weight."

You weren't aware of that provision in Article I. Why not just admit it? Instead, you decided to say that the constitution doesn't matter, which is silly and in denial about how things work even in a corrupt oligarchy, and took a condescending tone to boot. And I'm sensing a Zenmode digression from you about the meaning of the word lecture.
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The arrogance you display here on this forum is astounding. I'd rather engage with 10 of Zenmode than one of you. I am exceptionally sorry that I broke my own personal rule of responding to anything you say.
 
wmheel1287 said:
The arrogance you display here on this forum is astounding. I'd rather engage with 10 of Zenmode than one of you. I am exceptionally sorry that I broke my own personal rule of responding to anything you say.
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Yep. Standard pattern.

You: suggests that something can't happen
Me: it can't happen because of the constitution
You: [Pee-Wee Herman voice?] I knew that. You are so naive that to think that the constitution matters
Me: It still can't happen, and please don't talk down to me about a subject you don't know.
You: I wasn't talking down or lecturing
Me: providing examples of lecturing
You: How arrogant!!!!1!!1!1!1

I stand by my consistent sentiment that the most arrogant thing is to talk down to people who know way more than you do about a subject. It's astonishing to me that you have so little shame as to try to tell a law professor how the law works.
 
superrific said:
This is the stupidest time line. What we're seeing here is that everyone on both sides knows that nobody actually wants tariffs. But Trump wrote a check he can't cash, and is therefore insisting on this stupid in-and-out dance. And Canada is responding tit for tat -- especially Ford, who is temperamentally similar to Trump.

So they threaten nonsense to get to trade talks, which we could have had all along, and the trade talks are going to change nothing, because it was never serious in the first place.
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Yup
 
evrheel said:
That's what we did at the opto-electronic contract manufacturer for which I was a co-founder.
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Can you tell me more about this? I've always been curious about startups in these fields. Did you work in opto-electronic manufacturing before that? As an engineer or an executive or both? How did you raise capital to get what I assume to be expensive machinery? Were you designing the manufacturing process, or more or less implementing something off the shelf (perhaps with tweaks or innovations)? What made you decide to found a company?
 
superrific said:
"You seem to be disillusioned as to the Constitution having any weight at all in this moment in history. It doesn't," is a lecture. In that sentence, you are placing yourself as the authority, correcting "disillusioned" me.

If you were expressing an opinion, you would say, "I don't know if the Constitution has any weight."

You weren't aware of that provision in Article I. Why not just admit it? Instead, you decided to say that the constitution doesn't matter, which is silly and in denial about how things work even in a corrupt oligarchy, and took a condescending tone to boot. And I'm sensing a Zenmode digression from you about the meaning of the word lecture.
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Most anyone reading wmheel’s post knows he was expressing an opinion.
 
Zoo_View said:
Most anyone reading wmheel’s post knows he was expressing an opinion.
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Yes, a dismissive one. A condescending one. There are topics about which he can condescend to me. He knows way more about UNC athletics than I do, and about what goes on behind the scenes. He's a donor and I'm not. He obviously knows more about the real estate market in North Carolina, and likely nationally, at least about the mechanical aspects. If I were to challenge him, he'd be right to lecture me. About the constitution?

Whatever. I don't care. It's just tiresome. States still can't sign free trade deals with other countries.
 
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Global trade tensions fueled a wild day on Wall Street, with major indexes finishing a choppy session lower even after signs of a thaw in talks between the U.S. and Canada.

President Trump’s move to ratchet up tariffs on aluminum and steel from Canada triggered a new round of losses early in the session, sending all three major indexes lower.

Stocks regained some ground after reports that Ontario would ax a surcharge on electricity delivered to the U.S. and Trump said he would “probably” cut back the increased tariffs.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 1.1%, or around 478 points, to 41433. The S&P 500 lost 0.8%, while the Nasdaq Composite ticked down 0.2%. All three indexes notched their worst two-day drop since August.

The moves came after fears that tariffs and government spending cuts will fuel a recession sparked a selloff Monday, with sliding tech shares driving the Nasdaq to its biggest one-day fall since 2022.

Katie Stockton, founder and managing partner at Fairlead Strategies, said she sees the potential for a relief rally, but that the months ahead remain uncertain. “This is more than just a brief pullback that we’re going through,” she said. …”


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The House passing the CR through September will also call things, as will some signs of progress with Ukraine.
 
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Trump rejects Australia's bid for tariff exemptions

Australia will not be granted an exemption from the Trump administration's 25 per cent tariffs on aluminium and steel imports, the White House says.
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Australia will not be granted an exemption from US tariffs on aluminium and steel imports, the White House says.

US President Donald Trump had previously said he would consider excluding Australia from the 25 per cent tariffs, which take effect on Wednesday.

But White House spokeswoman Karoline Leavitt has now told the ABC:
 
BlooVooDoo said:
They should have tested her knowledge of campaign finance laws.
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LOL. Trump simply doesn't hire the brightest bulbs in the pack, and never has. I'd love to compare her knowledge of tariffs compared to that reporter or most of Trump's critics. I'm betting she will lose that battle every time.
 
CFordUNC said:
Depending on their age, hope those fellas enjoy working an extra decade or so!
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Most Trumpers have no choice but to work until they simply can't do it any more and their views on the economy are based on their grocery bill. They won't even know a recession exists until blue collar jobs get cut, and then they'll blame it on Biden.

I heard a George Soros quote on CNBC today about how some people say the stock market predicts the future, but in reality it creates it. And I was like yeah, with the market down this much and my wife reliant on federal funding, I've already decided the stupid money I drop on spring break every year is not going to happen this year. Everything needs to stay in the bank for now. Went to the dook game and went in Julian's, loved a $175 quarter zip with the Old Well on it, but I passed. Two months ago I would have bought it. Trump has created a screeching halt on nonessential spending by the upper middle class which will further wreck the economy. It all becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy when people are this nervous about the future.
 
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dukeman92 said:
I overheard two morons (trumpers) this morning discussing the pending recession and how it's needed to "balance" things.
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Did you ask what the fuck needs to be balanced?

Ignorant people believe everything their savior tells them.

Broke? Unemployed? No retirement or SS? What's it going to take to wake them up?
 
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