Taylor Swift

[nycfan]

 

[HeelYeah2012]

I think it is helpful for the @HeelYeah2012’s of the world to think about not voting for the magic R.

Cheney obviously is as anti-woke and pro-conservative judges as @HeelYeah2012. And neither likes Trump. But HeelYeah2012 thinks it is more important that republicans control the levers of power at the federal level for policy reasons.

If Cheney can realize that Trump is a threat that requires him to cross party lines, maybe there are some college educated Republicans that would likewise get a little more comfortable crossing party lines.

Most likely, these magic R voters will discount Cheney as just having a personal grudge against Trump. Hopefully, Bush jr will jump on the bandwagon soon, too, to give a little more comfort to those Republicans thinking about making the switch.

I’ve already “evolved” in the sense that I’ve started to split my tickets as I’ve gotten older, vs voting blindly straight ticket as most people on this message board will do.

But where I fall short of making you guys happy is that I do still prefer the Republicans in charge in Washington specifically. At the local and state levels I’m much more open minded about considering the merits of the individual candidates, but Washington is a machine - and Trump is against that machine, whereas Biden/Harris have been part of the machine their entire careers. Dick Cheney and his whole family are also part of that same machine.

Last thing, I was thinking about this the other day but COVID was a really eye opening experience for me that I still haven’t forgotten. If not for COVID, who knows where my personal politics would be right now. But I still haven’t forgotten that a large portion of the country lost its damn mind during that time (many on both sides, there were crazy anti vaxxers on the right etc). But I aligned way more with the “right” than the “left” on COVID response.

If I was to be a “single issue” voter in 2024, my single issue wouldn’t be guns or abortion or immigration. It would be which party I trust the most to let people enjoy their personal freedom. This same core belief is why I am pro choice rather than pro life, for the record. And the Democrats lost me with the arrogance they displayed during COVID with the masks for 3 years, shutting down schools, shutting down restaurants, shutting down beaches, allowing 3,000 people at football games that can seat 60,000, and everything inbetween.

Sorry for the rant, didn’t mean to type that much.

 

[lawtig02]

I’ve already “evolved” in the sense that I’ve started to split my tickets as I’ve gotten older, vs voting blindly straight ticket as most people on this message board will do.

But where I fall short of making you guys happy is that I do still prefer the Republicans in charge in Washington specifically. At the local and state levels I’m much more open minded about considering the merits of the individual candidates, but Washington is a machine - and Trump is against that machine, whereas Biden/Harris have been part of the machine their entire careers. Dick Cheney and his whole family are also part of that same machine.

Last thing, I was thinking about this the other day but COVID was a really eye opening experience for me that I still haven’t forgotten. If not for COVID, who knows where my personal politics would be right now. But I still haven’t forgotten that a large portion of the country lost its damn mind during that time (many on both sides, there were crazy anti vaxxers on the right etc). But I aligned way more with the “right” than the “left” on COVID response.

If I was to be a “single issue” voter in 2024, my single issue wouldn’t be guns or abortion or immigration. It would be which party I trust the most to let people enjoy their personal freedom. This same core belief is why I am pro choice rather than pro life, for the record. And the Democrats lost me with the arrogance they displayed during COVID with the masks for 3 years, shutting down schools, shutting down restaurants, shutting down beaches, allowing 3,000 people at football games that can seat 60,000, and everything inbetween.

Sorry for the rant, didn’t mean to type that much.

Kamala was part of the DC “machine” when she was the DA in San Francisco? And the attorney general of California? That machine must have some crazy long wings.

 

[aGDevil2k]

I’ve already “evolved” in the sense that I’ve started to split my tickets as I’ve gotten older, vs voting blindly straight ticket as most people on this message board will do.

But where I fall short of making you guys happy is that I do still prefer the Republicans in charge in Washington specifically. At the local and state levels I’m much more open minded about considering the merits of the individual candidates, but Washington is a machine - and Trump is against that machine, whereas Biden/Harris have been part of the machine their entire careers. Dick Cheney and his whole family are also part of that same machine.

Last thing, I was thinking about this the other day but COVID was a really eye opening experience for me that I still haven’t forgotten. If not for COVID, who knows where my personal politics would be right now. But I still haven’t forgotten that a large portion of the country lost its damn mind during that time (many on both sides, there were crazy anti vaxxers on the right etc). But I aligned way more with the “right” than the “left” on COVID response.

If I was to be a “single issue” voter in 2024, my single issue wouldn’t be guns or abortion or immigration. It would be which party I trust the most to let people enjoy their personal freedom. This same core belief is why I am pro choice rather than pro life, for the record. And the Democrats lost me with the arrogance they displayed during COVID with the masks for 3 years, shutting down schools, shutting down restaurants, shutting down beaches, allowing 3,000 people at football games that can seat 60,000, and everything inbetween.

Sorry for the rant, didn’t mean to type that much.

Stop lying. Masks werent being worn (mandatory) for 3 years. Not even close.

Personal freedom ---> you are so freaking anti mask, but you want the government in a woman's medical records, you want the government in the bedroom, you want the government to tell two people in love they cant get married, you want the government pushing Christianity into every decision. THAT is what the national GOP is pushing for.

Spare me the sanctimonious BS lie about masks when you have proven time and time again you dont give a DAMN about actual personal freedoms for people that dont enjoy your wealthy white straight guy privilege.

 

[lawtig02]

Stop lying. Masks werent being worn (mandatory) for 3 years. Not even close.

Personal freedom ---> you are so freaking anti mask, but you want the government in a woman's medical records, you want the government in the bedroom, you want the government to tell two people in love they cant get married, you want the government pushing Christianity into every decision. THAT is what the national GOP is pushing for.

Spare me the sanctimonious BS lie about masks when you have proven time and time again you dont give a DAMN about actual personal freedoms for people that dont enjoy your WASP privilege.

Not to mention, shouldn’t people have the right to wear a mask without fear of public confrontation? If so, seems HY would be racing to vote straight ticket Dem.

 

[dukeman92]

Wouldn't wear a mask but I'll bet you stuck a tampon on your ear.

 

[lawtig02]

Wouldn't wear a mask but I'll bet you stuck a tampon on your ear.

Panty liner. Pubs stick tampons in their noses, not on their ears.

 

[StrangePackage]

I’ve already “evolved” in the sense that I’ve started to split my tickets as I’ve gotten older, vs voting blindly straight ticket as most people on this message board will do.

But where I fall short of making you guys happy is that I do still prefer the Republicans in charge in Washington specifically. At the local and state levels I’m much more open minded about considering the merits of the individual candidates, but Washington is a machine - and Trump is against that machine, whereas Biden/Harris have been part of the machine their entire careers. Dick Cheney and his whole family are also part of that same machine.

Last thing, I was thinking about this the other day but COVID was a really eye opening experience for me that I still haven’t forgotten. If not for COVID, who knows where my personal politics would be right now. But I still haven’t forgotten that a large portion of the country lost its damn mind during that time (many on both sides, there were crazy anti vaxxers on the right etc). But I aligned way more with the “right” than the “left” on COVID response.

If I was to be a “single issue” voter in 2024, my single issue wouldn’t be guns or abortion or immigration. It would be which party I trust the most to let people enjoy their personal freedom. This same core belief is why I am pro choice rather than pro life, for the record. And the Democrats lost me with the arrogance they displayed during COVID with the masks for 3 years, shutting down schools, shutting down restaurants, shutting down beaches, allowing 3,000 people at football games that can seat 60,000, and everything inbetween.

Sorry for the rant, didn’t mean to type that much.

Imagine your children grow up to be queer, and come out to you.

Will the Republicans still be the party of personal freedom for them?

 

[finesse]

I'll never trust Republicans as long as they are so closely intertwined with evangelicals. Evangelicals may be the most antidemocratic group in the USA. Their brothers from different mothers. the fundamentalists of the other Abrahamic religions belong on the same trash heap of history.

 

[Calheel]

I’ve already “evolved” in the sense that I’ve started to split my tickets as I’ve gotten older, vs voting blindly straight ticket as most people on this message board will do.

But where I fall short of making you guys happy is that I do still prefer the Republicans in charge in Washington specifically. At the local and state levels I’m much more open minded about considering the merits of the individual candidates, but Washington is a machine - and Trump is against that machine, whereas Biden/Harris have been part of the machine their entire careers. Dick Cheney and his whole family are also part of that same machine.

Last thing, I was thinking about this the other day but COVID was a really eye opening experience for me that I still haven’t forgotten. If not for COVID, who knows where my personal politics would be right now. But I still haven’t forgotten that a large portion of the country lost its damn mind during that time (many on both sides, there were crazy anti vaxxers on the right etc). But I aligned way more with the “right” than the “left” on COVID response.

If I was to be a “single issue” voter in 2024, my single issue wouldn’t be guns or abortion or immigration. It would be which party I trust the most to let people enjoy their personal freedom. This same core belief is why I am pro choice rather than pro life, for the record. And the Democrats lost me with the arrogance they displayed during COVID with the masks for 3 years, shutting down schools, shutting down restaurants, shutting down beaches, allowing 3,000 people at football games that can seat 60,000, and everything inbetween.

Sorry for the rant, didn’t mean to type that much.

But its odd that Covid would be the reason for your state-federal split, when public health mandates are largely a creature of state law. Sure, the CDC will issue guidance, which is influential for state policy decision makers, but generally not binding. If you are really concerned about public health overreach, it would seem you would vote Democrat at the fed level and Republican at the state level.

At this point, Trump is the machine on the Republican side. He has way more influence in Republican machinery than any equivalent on the Democratic side.

I can understand why Tay Tay's endorsement might not move you. But I do think it is notable how many people think like you on the Republican side have decided that "R" values are not worth the Trump vote. Better to have Ds run things for four years, tear down the Trump virus, and start again in 2028 than have Trump win in 2024.

 

[HeelYeah2012]

Imagine your children grow up to be queer, and come out to you.

Will the Republicans still be the party of personal freedom for them?

70+% of the country, including half of Republicans, are pro gay marriage. That number has skyrocketed in recent years. By the time my kids grow up to be queer (or not), gay marriage isn’t even going to be on the table as an issue that anyone other than the super fringes is against. In fact, we are basically there now. I don’t hear any politicians talk about being anti gay marriage anymore. Doesn’t seem to be the issue it once was even as recently as 10 years ago. The country has evolved on this one, rapidly, and that’s a good thing.

 

[Calheel]

70+% of the country, including half of Republicans, are pro gay marriage. That number has skyrocketed in recent years. By the time my kids grow up to be queer (or not), gay marriage isn’t even going to be on the table as an issue that anyone other than the super fringes is against. In fact, we are basically there now. I don’t hear any politicians talk about being anti gay marriage anymore. Doesn’t seem to be the issue it once was even as recently as 10 years ago. The country has evolved on this one, rapidly, and that’s a good thing.

Then why can teachers get arrested in Florida for saying Gay but not Straight? It may be true that in 10 years things will be different, but the Republican leaders in power today (not the rank and file) are very much against gay marriage or normalizing homosexuality in any way. They still think there is a culture war to fight.

 

[CFordUNC]

My memory must be getting the better of me in my mid-30's old age, but I could have sworn that schools, restaurants, shops, etc. were shut down and mask mandates were implemented under Donald J. Trump and a Republican administration.

 

[finesse]

And they've made no bones about the fact that they don't care about majority opinion as long as they can manipulate the elections to their benefit.

 

[Calheel]

My memory must be getting the better of me in my mid-30's old age, but I could have sworn that schools, restaurants, shops, etc. were shut down and mask mandates were implemented under Donald J. Trump and a Republican administration.

Yes, they were. But @HeelYeah2012 is also remembering how red southern states lifted the restrictions faster than blue, coastal states, and also how blue, coastal states imposed more vaccine and mask mandates. It is certainly true that Democrats tended to err on the side of protecting health and welfare and Republicans tended to err on the side of individual liberty (on this issue) - at least by late 2020 and 2021.

 

[BillyL]

WOW . . . that's impressive !

 

[HeelYeah2012]

I can understand why Tay Tay's endorsement might not move you. But I do think it is notable how many people think like you on the Republican side have decided that "R" values are not worth the Trump vote. Better to have Ds run things for four years, tear down the Trump virus, and start again in 2028 than have Trump win in 2024.

Your last paragraph is why I’m not sweating the results of the election too much. Not that I ever do, compared to most here.

I mainly want some younger blood in charge so if Kamala wins, maybe both parties can finally move past the geriatric people who have been on the ballot or in charge in recent years. I fully suspect Harris to win and you don’t see me freaking out about the future of the country because of it.

Re: Taylor’s endorsement, it’s hard for me to believe it moves the needle much since she’s very political and her huge/rabid fan base already knew where she stood on this election. People were already speculating about a rift between her and Brittany Mahomes (based on politics) prior to this endorsement. I’m sure her endorsement will have *some* effect, but she’s not exactly someone who I was thinking might would endorse Donald Trump, so her support for Harris was already baked in as I see it. My wife is a fan of Taylor’s music but she’s not gonna vote for Kamala Harris because of it. My sister is a massive Swiftie but my sis so far left politically, she may vote for Harris or she may abstain due to Gaza (she told me she was definitely abstaining due to Gaza back when Biden was still on the ballot). But again, just because I don’t personally know of people this will impact, I’m not saying it won’t have *some* impact. But definitely small in the grand scheme.

 

[HeelYeah2012]

Yes, they were. But @HeelYeah2012 is also remembering how red southern states lifted the restrictions faster than blue, coastal states, and also how blue, coastal states imposed more vaccine and mask mandates. It is certainly true that Democrats tended to err on the side of protecting health and welfare and Republicans tended to err on the side of individual liberty (on this issue) - at least by late 2020 and 2021.

Yes, this.

Florida (DeSantis) was bashed relentlessly for opening up beaches, even though it didn’t take a rocket scientist to realize that people hanging out on the beach outside was far better for public health than hanging out together indoors with masks on. But it *looked* bad to see crowds on the beach and people living their normal life.

 

[CFordUNC]

With the utmost of all due respect to folks on this thread, Ive got to confess that I don't understand the continues fascination with trying to sway or persuade our board Republican voters to not vote for Donald Trump. Seems like a complete and total waste of keystrokes and time. It's not going to happen. Anyone who is voting for Trump in 2024 is doing so with the complete, total, 100% clear-eyed understanding of who he is and what he is. Doing something once- like voting for Trump in 2016- is a mistake. Lots of people make mistakes. I made that very mistake. Voting for Trump in 2024 is not a mistake- it is a choice and a conscious decision. I think that y'all have to understand and embrace that no amount of fact-checking, no amount of rebuttal, no amount of cajoling, no amount of trying to "understand", no amount of trying to reason, and no amount of trying to apply rational logic is going to change anyone's mind from voting for Trump in 2024.

Even if, hypothetically, the last 8 years never happened- and by that, I mean that Donald Trump wasn't the most horrifically incompetent president in the history of our country- anyone who can vote for him in 2024 after witnessing what we witnessed on that debate stage last night, is not voting with rational logic and reason. They're not voting for policy. They're voting with "fuck your facts and feelings" emotion. That's it. Nothing more. It's best to just acknowledge that and move on, and not waste any time trying to change people's mind.

 

[CarolinaFever]

With the utmost of all due respect to folks on this thread, Ive got to confess that I don't understand the continues fascination with trying to sway or persuade our board Republican voters to not vote for Donald Trump. Seems like a complete and total waste of keystrokes and time. It's not going to happen. Anyone who is voting for Trump in 2024 is doing so with the complete, total, 100% clear-eyed understanding of who he is and what he is. Doing something once- like voting for Trump in 2016- is a mistake. Lots of people make mistakes. I made that very mistake. Voting for Trump in 2024 is not a mistake- it is a choice and a conscious decision. I think that y'all have to understand and embrace that no amount of fact-checking, no amount of rebuttal, no amount of cajoling, no amount of trying to "understand", no amount of trying to reason, and no amount of trying to apply rational logic is going to change anyone's mind from voting for Trump in 2024.

Even if, hypothetically, the last 8 years never happened- and by that, I mean that Donald Trump wasn't the most horrifically incompetent president in the history of our country- anyone who can vote for him in 2024 after witnessing what we witnessed on that debate stage last night, is not voting with rational logic and reason. They're not voting for policy. They're voting with "fuck your facts and feelings" emotion. That's it. Nothing more. It's best to just acknowledge that and move on, and not waste any time trying to change people's mind.

They want to take the country back, meaning they want to take it back for only straight, white Christian nationalists. It's pure racism and bigotry.