Taylor Swift

[CFordUNC]

Yes, they were. But @HeelYeah2012 is also remembering how red southern states lifted the restrictions faster than blue, coastal states, and also how blue, coastal states imposed more vaccine and mask mandates. It is certainly true that Democrats tended to err on the side of protecting health and welfare and Republicans tended to err on the side of individual liberty (on this issue) - at least by late 2020 and 2021.

Man, I get it, but you're quoting someone who blames the Democrats for not allowing for there to be 60,000 people in football stadiums in fall 2020- when the entirety of that football season occurred during a Republican presidential administration. Not one single snap of college football was played during the 2020 season under a Democratic administration. The first snap of college football played under a Democratic administration in 2021 was played in front of packed houses, like the one I was at in Blacksburg on Opening Day when we choked against Virginia Tech.

It wasn't just in blue states where there weren't packed football crowds in 2020. It was in red states, too. There were some red state schools that STILL didn't allow ANY fans whatsoever, even as other schools in other states- especially liberal ol' UNC- was allowing fans as soon as October 2020.

 

[Calheel]

With the utmost of all due respect to folks on this thread, Ive got to confess that I don't understand the continues fascination with trying to sway or persuade our board Republican voters to not vote for Donald Trump. Seems like a complete and total waste of keystrokes and time. It's not going to happen. Anyone who is voting for Trump in 2024 is doing so with the complete, total, 100% clear-eyed understanding of who he is and what he is. Doing something once- like voting for Trump in 2016- is a mistake. Lots of people make mistakes. I made that very mistake. Voting for Trump in 2024 is not a mistake- it is a choice and a conscious decision. I think that y'all have to understand and embrace that no amount of fact-checking, no amount of rebuttal, no amount of cajoling, no amount of trying to "understand", no amount of trying to reason, and no amount of trying to apply rational logic is going to change anyone's mind from voting for Trump in 2024.

Even if, hypothetically, the last 8 years never happened- and by that, I mean that Donald Trump wasn't the most horrifically incompetent president in the history of our country- anyone who can vote for him in 2024 after witnessing what we witnessed on that debate stage last night, is not voting with rational logic and reason. They're not voting for policy. They're voting with "fuck your facts and feelings" emotion. That's it. Nothing more. It's best to just acknowledge that and move on, and not waste any time trying to change people's mind.

Then why have Tay Tay make endorsement. Why run a campaign at all? Obviously some double Trumps are persuadable. Cheney voted for Trump twice but no more. Same with Bo Time. It is like Luke trying to save Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi.

 

[aGDevil2k]

Your last paragraph is why I’m not sweating the results of the election too much. Not that I ever do, compared to most here.

I mainly want some younger blood in charge so if Kamala wins, maybe both parties can finally move past the geriatric people who have been on the ballot or in charge in recent years. I fully suspect Harris to win and you don’t see me freaking out about the future of the country because of it.

Re: Taylor’s endorsement, it’s hard for me to believe it moves the needle much since she’s very political and her huge/rabid fan base already knew where she stood on this election. People were already speculating about a rift between her and Brittany Mahomes (based on politics) prior to this endorsement. I’m sure her endorsement will have *some* effect, but she’s not exactly someone who I was thinking might would endorse Donald Trump, so her support for Harris was already baked in as I see it. My wife is a fan of Taylor’s music but she’s not gonna vote for Kamala Harris because of it. My sister is a massive Swiftie but my sis so far left politically, she may vote for Harris or she may abstain due to Gaza (she told me she was definitely abstaining due to Gaza back when Biden was still on the ballot). But again, just because I don’t personally know of people this will impact, I’m not saying it won’t have *some* impact. But definitely small in the grand scheme.

But your party of choice nationally is NOT the party of personal freedom. That's why you are being called a hypocrite

As for gay marriage being an issue, project 2025 wants to end it. They also want to end workplace protections. Now maybe it's nothing to you but it's nice that I can't get fired for slipping up and saying I've got a husband. And your political choice wants to undo that

Hypocrisy

 

[CFordUNC]

Then why have Tay Tay make endorsement. Why run a campaign at all? Obviously some double Trumps are persuadable. Cheney voted for Trump twice but no more. Same with Bo Time. It is like Luke trying to save Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi.

Because Tay Tay isn't trying to sway or persuade onE single solitary Trump voter. She's trying to sway and persuade the Democratic base to turn out en masse, and she's trying to sway and persuade the folks who are on the fence about voting period, to get their ass into a voting booth.

I promise you Taylor Swift's endorsement was not made with a single Trump supporter in mind. I'll freely acknowledge that the Cheneys' endorsements are aimed at giving Republicans and conservatives permission to vote for Kamala, but as it specifically pertains to Taylor Swift who is the topic of this thread, I'm sure she couldn't give a shit less about Trump supporters.

 

[Milk and Cookies]

There are no undecideds...only people who haven't voted yet

 

[aGDevil2k]

With the utmost of all due respect to folks on this thread, Ive got to confess that I don't understand the continues fascination with trying to sway or persuade our board Republican voters to not vote for Donald Trump. Seems like a complete and total waste of keystrokes and time. It's not going to happen. Anyone who is voting for Trump in 2024 is doing so with the complete, total, 100% clear-eyed understanding of who he is and what he is. Doing something once- like voting for Trump in 2016- is a mistake. Lots of people make mistakes. I made that very mistake. Voting for Trump in 2024 is not a mistake- it is a choice and a conscious decision. I think that y'all have to understand and embrace that no amount of fact-checking, no amount of rebuttal, no amount of cajoling, no amount of trying to "understand", no amount of trying to reason, and no amount of trying to apply rational logic is going to change anyone's mind from voting for Trump in 2024.

Even if, hypothetically, the last 8 years never happened- and by that, I mean that Donald Trump wasn't the most horrifically incompetent president in the history of our country- anyone who can vote for him in 2024 after witnessing what we witnessed on that debate stage last night, is not voting with rational logic and reason. They're not voting for policy. They're voting with "fuck your facts and feelings" emotion. That's it. Nothing more. It's best to just acknowledge that and move on, and not waste any time trying to change people's mind.

Not trying to persuade him. But I'm going to call him out on his two faced sanctimonious hypocrisy.... Knowing full well he will vote for Trump with his red hat on

I actually think he will vote for Morrow and Robinson and never admit it

 

[aGDevil2k]

Because Tay Tay isn't trying to sway or persuade onE single solitary Trump voter. She's trying to sway and persuade the Democratic base to turn out en masse, and she's trying to sway and persuade the folks who are on the fence about voting period, to get their ass into a voting booth.

I promise you Taylor Swift's endorsement was not made with a single Trump supporter in mind. I'll freely acknowledge that the Cheneys' endorsements are aimed at giving Republicans and conservatives permission to vote for Kamala, but as it specifically pertains to Taylor Swift who is the topic of this thread, I'm sure she couldn't give a shit less about Trump supporters.

100%

Those registration numbers are mind blowing

 

[CFordUNC]

Not trying to persuade him. But I'm going to call him out on his two faced sanctimonious hypocrisy.... Knowing full well he will vote for Trump with his red hat on

I actually think he will vote for Morrow and Robinson and never admit it

I hear ya 100%. I actually meant to write that response as a quote post to CalHeel but must have screwed it up on my phone. I was mainly intending to direct that specifically at Cal, whom I have tremendous respect and admiration for as a poster, but who I feel has expended a lot of wasted key strokes over the last few months trying to persuade some of our board Trump voters. It’s admirable, to be sure, but ultimately fruitless. Sorry for screwing up the quote post thing- definitely was not intending to direct that post at you! Totally my error.

 

[Calheel]

I hear ya 100%. I actually meant to write that response as a quote post to CalHeel but must have screwed it up on my phone. I was mainly intending to direct that specifically at Cal, whom I have tremendous respect and admiration for as a poster, but who I feel has expended a lot of wasted key strokes over the last few months trying to persuade some of our board Trump voters. It’s admirable, to be sure, but ultimately fruitless. Sorry for screwing up the quote post thing- definitely was not intending to direct that post at you! Totally my error.

Well, my vote doesn't count. If I can't convince a smart voter in NC to see the light, maybe I can convince him to convince his sister to get off the Gaza stupidity and get to the polls.

 

[CFordUNC]

Well, my vote doesn't count. If I can't convince a smart voter in NC to see the light, maybe I can convince him to convince his sister to get off the Gaza stupidity and get to the polls.

I hear you. Like I said, and I mean this with the most genuine sincerity, I admire and respect it. I just think it’s wasted time, but admittedly I am jaded by the conversations that I have had with many of my own Trump supporting family members.

 

[HeelYeah2012]

Not trying to persuade him. But I'm going to call him out on his two faced sanctimonious hypocrisy.... Knowing full well he will vote for Trump with his red hat on

I actually think he will vote for Morrow and Robinson and never admit it

“Vote for Morrow and Robinson and never admit it” - lol.

What incentive would I have to lie about my voting plans on an online anonymous message board? If was going to go that route, why would I lie about supporting Josh Stein but not also lie and say I support Kamala? You aren’t making any sense.

Josh Stein won my vote the day he helped get Tez Walker eligible for the Heels. The fact that Robinson is such a psycho makes it an easy choice.

 

[HeelYeah2012]

Well, my vote doesn't count. If I can't convince a smart voter in NC to see the light, maybe I can convince him to convince his sister to get off the Gaza stupidity and get to the polls.

I’m certainly not going to be nudging my sister to go to the polls. Her stance (i.e. far left person who doesn’t vote, as a protest about Gaza) is legitimately the dumbest stance anyone can take this cycle. She’s in Georgia too, big time swing state….

She may well have changed her mind after the Dems kicked Biden to the curb though. I don’t talk politics with her often for obvious reasons but at the family beach trip back in June, she made it perfectly clear she had no intention of voting for Biden. I have a hunch she’ll vote for Kamala (even if policy is basically identical to Biden) just so she can say she voted for a minority woman. But that’s my speculation.

If it makes you feel better, I *did* educate my conservative wife about how crazy Robinson and Morrow are. So that’s 2 conservative votes for Stein/Greene in my household now.

 

[heelslegup]

The Musk/Zuckerberg steel cage match got cancelled. Given Elon's comments about TS, maybe he wants to have a go with the KC Chiefs guy in a steel cage

 

[HeelYeah2012]

Now CNN last night made a great point, that this helps Kamala with a demo she’s already strong in. She needs help with men, and this is where Travis Kelce needs to step in.

Do we have any indication that Travis Kelce supports Harris over Trump? Has he ever gotten political in the past or has he done like Mahomes and stayed above the fray?

 

[superrific]

legitimately the dumbest stance anyone can take this cycle.

No, legitimately the dumbest stance anyone can take is voting MAGA, but especially on the belief that Trump is a) a patriot; b) God's chosen; c) a good businessman; d) concerned about anyone but himself; e) or any other of these Trump-as-hero tropes.

 

[HeelYeah2012]

No, legitimately the dumbest stance anyone can take is voting MAGA, but especially on the belief that Trump is a) a patriot; b) God's chosen; c) a good businessman; d) concerned about anyone but himself; e) or any other of these Trump-as-hero tropes.

I suppose it depends how you define it. To me, someone who is pro-Palestine/Hamas sitting the election out because they don’t think Harris is pro-Palestine/Hamas enough on the issue….is being completely irrational.

70 million people are going to vote for Trump but only a small sliver of immature and illogical people are going to sit out the election because neither candidate likes Palestine enough.

 

[Enigma94]

I remember when people said Roe was untouchable and abortion rights were safe. The idea that gay rights are safe is one of the most naïve things I’ve read on these boards.

 

[superrific]

Your last paragraph is why I’m not sweating the results of the election too much. Not that I ever do, compared to most here.

Maybe because you have nothing at stake. This is the attitude that bothers me so much. "Why do you care so much?" asks the straight white man, or in Brittney Mahomes' case, the rich white woman. And the answer is that Trump versus Kamala is literally the difference between life and death for many people. Women will die from abortion bans -- we are already seeing this. They experience tremendous suffering. They lose the ability to have children. People will die in his mass deportation camps. Families will be separated. For those people, the election matters. They don't have the fucking luxury to just go on with their lives.

Gay people will lose their families. That's a big deal. It makes people care a lot. There will be anti-gay laws popping up everywhere, especially if Trump gets to appoint a lot more far right judges. There will be even more hate crimes. Families with non-citizen spouses will be forced to choose between being together and being in their home country. Children will lose their parents.

Significant parts of the Earth will become uninhabitable. That might not mean much to you, since you can probably retreat into the mountains if you haven't already, but hundreds of millions of people will be displaced. Ecosystems will be destroyed. It is already happening. Next up: arable land will be lost to oceans. Again, it's already happening. This might not matter to you, but it is life or death for millions of young children, not now perhaps but in the relatively near future.

So that's why your stance is so irritating, and it's why I can't be friends with you should you even want to (I doubt it). Because I can't get over that you fundamentally don't care. I'm not being divisive; your politics are inherently divisive. It's like slaveowners complaining to abolitionists, "why can't we just put this slavery thing behind us and be friends?" Fuck. That. Shit. Fortunately we live in a world where slavery is off the table, but there are many horrors that are still very much real.

 

[superrific]

I suppose it depends how you define it. To me, someone who is pro-Palestine/Hamas sitting the election out because they don’t think Harris is pro-Palestine/Hamas enough on the issue….is being completely irrational.

And less irrational than wanting to "put America first" and voting for Trump. Less irrational than believing anything said by that obviously lying moron who surrounds himself with sycophants.

I don't care if 7 or 70 or 700 million people will vote for Trump. They are being completely idiotic, unless their #1 issue (and really only important one) is hating on minorities or banning abortion.

 

[SmilingJack]

I suppose it depends how you define it. To me, someone who is pro-Palestine/Hamas sitting the election out because they don’t think Harris is pro-Palestine/Hamas enough on the issue….is being completely irrational.

70 million people are going to vote for Trump but only a small sliver of immature and illogical people are going to sit out the election because neither candidate likes Palestine enough.

Just saying.