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superrific said:
Maybe because you have nothing at stake. This is the attitude that bothers me so much. "Why do you care so much?" asks the straight white man, or in Brittney Mahomes' case, the rich white woman. And the answer is that Trump versus Kamala is literally the difference between life and death for many people. Women will die from abortion bans -- we are already seeing this. They experience tremendous suffering. They lose the ability to have children. People will die in his mass deportation camps. Families will be separated. For those people, the election matters. They don't have the fucking luxury to just go on with their lives.

Gay people will lose their families. That's a big deal. It makes people care a lot. There will be anti-gay laws popping up everywhere, especially if Trump gets to appoint a lot more far right judges. There will be even more hate crimes. Families with non-citizen spouses will be forced to choose between being together and being in their home country. Children will lose their parents.

Significant parts of the Earth will become uninhabitable. That might not mean much to you, since you can probably retreat into the mountains if you haven't already, but hundreds of millions of people will be displaced. Ecosystems will be destroyed. It is already happening. Next up: arable land will be lost to oceans. Again, it's already happening. This might not matter to you, but it is life or death for millions of young children, not now perhaps but in the relatively near future.

So that's why your stance is so irritating, and it's why I can't be friends with you should you even want to (I doubt it). Because I can't get over that you fundamentally don't care. I'm not being divisive; your politics are inherently divisive. It's like slaveowners complaining to abolitionists, "why can't we just put this slavery thing behind us and be friends?" Fuck. That. Shit. Fortunately we live in a world where slavery is off the table, but there are many horrors that are still very much real.
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Yes, but you see, those things happen to other people, and during a global pandemic he was mildly inconvenienced.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
I’ve already “evolved” in the sense that I’ve started to split my tickets as I’ve gotten older, vs voting blindly straight ticket as most people on this message board will do.

But where I fall short of making you guys happy is that I do still prefer the Republicans in charge in Washington specifically. At the local and state levels I’m much more open minded about considering the merits of the individual candidates, but Washington is a machine - and Trump is against that machine, whereas Biden/Harris have been part of the machine their entire careers. Dick Cheney and his whole family are also part of that same machine.

Last thing, I was thinking about this the other day but COVID was a really eye opening experience for me that I still haven’t forgotten. If not for COVID, who knows where my personal politics would be right now. But I still haven’t forgotten that a large portion of the country lost its damn mind during that time (many on both sides, there were crazy anti vaxxers on the right etc). But I aligned way more with the “right” than the “left” on COVID response.

If I was to be a “single issue” voter in 2024, my single issue wouldn’t be guns or abortion or immigration. It would be which party I trust the most to let people enjoy their personal freedom. This same core belief is why I am pro choice rather than pro life, for the record. And the Democrats lost me with the arrogance they displayed during COVID with the masks for 3 years, shutting down schools, shutting down restaurants, shutting down beaches, allowing 3,000 people at football games that can seat 60,000, and everything inbetween.

Sorry for the rant, didn’t mean to type that much.
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I thought Trump was President when COVID happened.
 
superrific said:
Maybe because you have nothing at stake. This is the attitude that bothers me so much. "Why do you care so much?" asks the straight white man, or in Brittney Mahomes' case, the rich white woman. And the answer is that Trump versus Kamala is literally the difference between life and death for many people. Women will die from abortion bans -- we are already seeing this. They experience tremendous suffering. They lose the ability to have children. People will die in his mass deportation camps. Families will be separated. For those people, the election matters. They don't have the fucking luxury to just go on with their lives.

Gay people will lose their families. That's a big deal. It makes people care a lot. There will be anti-gay laws popping up everywhere, especially if Trump gets to appoint a lot more far right judges. There will be even more hate crimes. Families with non-citizen spouses will be forced to choose between being together and being in their home country. Children will lose their parents.

Significant parts of the Earth will become uninhabitable. That might not mean much to you, since you can probably retreat into the mountains if you haven't already, but hundreds of millions of people will be displaced. Ecosystems will be destroyed. It is already happening. Next up: arable land will be lost to oceans. Again, it's already happening. This might not matter to you, but it is life or death for millions of young children, not now perhaps but in the relatively near future.

So that's why your stance is so irritating, and it's why I can't be friends with you should you even want to (I doubt it). Because I can't get over that you fundamentally don't care. I'm not being divisive; your politics are inherently divisive. It's like slaveowners complaining to abolitionists, "why can't we just put this slavery thing behind us and be friends?" Fuck. That. Shit. Fortunately we live in a world where slavery is off the table, but there are many horrors that are still very much real.
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So high school, Tim McGraw. You’re losing me. We are never ever getting back together.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Do we have any indication that Travis Kelce supports Harris over Trump? Has he ever gotten political in the past or has he done like Mahomes and stayed above the fray?
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According to the MAGA community, the fact that Kelce makes pro-vaccine commercials for NIH/CDC is proof he is a deep state operative.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
70+% of the country, including half of Republicans, are pro gay marriage. That number has skyrocketed in recent years. By the time my kids grow up to be queer (or not), gay marriage isn’t even going to be on the table as an issue that anyone other than the super fringes is against. In fact, we are basically there now. I don’t hear any politicians talk about being anti gay marriage anymore. Doesn’t seem to be the issue it once was even as recently as 10 years ago. The country has evolved on this one, rapidly, and that’s a good thing.
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There was a time not long ago where you could say the same thing about abortion. Yet here we are.
 
superrific said:
Maybe because you have nothing at stake. This is the attitude that bothers me so much. "Why do you care so much?" asks the straight white man, or in Brittney Mahomes' case, the rich white woman. And the answer is that Trump versus Kamala is literally the difference between life and death for many people. Women will die from abortion bans -- we are already seeing this. They experience tremendous suffering. They lose the ability to have children. People will die in his mass deportation camps. Families will be separated. For those people, the election matters. They don't have the fucking luxury to just go on with their lives.

Gay people will lose their families. That's a big deal. It makes people care a lot. There will be anti-gay laws popping up everywhere, especially if Trump gets to appoint a lot more far right judges. There will be even more hate crimes. Families with non-citizen spouses will be forced to choose between being together and being in their home country. Children will lose their parents.

Significant parts of the Earth will become uninhabitable. That might not mean much to you, since you can probably retreat into the mountains if you haven't already, but hundreds of millions of people will be displaced. Ecosystems will be destroyed. It is already happening. Next up: arable land will be lost to oceans. Again, it's already happening. This might not matter to you, but it is life or death for millions of young children, not now perhaps but in the relatively near future.

So that's why your stance is so irritating, and it's why I can't be friends with you should you even want to (I doubt it). Because I can't get over that you fundamentally don't care. I'm not being divisive; your politics are inherently divisive. It's like slaveowners complaining to abolitionists, "why can't we just put this slavery thing behind us and be friends?" Fuck. That. Shit. Fortunately we live in a world where slavery is off the table, but there are many horrors that are still very much real.
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I want to applaud this—but it’s been so obvious for a long time now that HY2012 lacks the ability to empathize. It’s a common trait among the MAGA crowd, and HY has exhibited it in virtually every post I’ve seen since I joined the old ZZL several years ago.

That’s why it’s pointless to call him out or respond to his nonsense. He. Doesn’t. Care.

He’s obviously an intelligent guy, but there’s a pathology there that prevents him from feeling basic human emotions, much like Trump himself.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
I’m certainly not going to be nudging my sister to go to the polls. Her stance (i.e. far left person who doesn’t vote, as a protest about Gaza) is legitimately the dumbest stance anyone can take this cycle. She’s in Georgia too, big time swing state….

She may well have changed her mind after the Dems kicked Biden to the curb though. I don’t talk politics with her often for obvious reasons but at the family beach trip back in June, she made it perfectly clear she had no intention of voting for Biden. I have a hunch she’ll vote for Kamala (even if policy is basically identical to Biden) just so she can say she voted for a minority woman. But that’s my speculation.

If it makes you feel better, I *did* educate my conservative wife about how crazy Robinson and Morrow are. So that’s 2 conservative votes for Stein/Greene in my household now.
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Your wife the teacher needed to be educated about Morrow? I find that to be pretty incredible in Wake County. Her crazy has been on full display in Wake for a long time now.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
“Vote for Morrow and Robinson and never admit it” - lol.

What incentive would I have to lie about my voting plans on an online anonymous message board? If was going to go that route, why would I lie about supporting Josh Stein but not also lie and say I support Kamala? You aren’t making any sense.

Josh Stein won my vote the day he helped get Tez Walker eligible for the Heels. The fact that Robinson is such a psycho makes it an easy choice.
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Trump and Marrow are every bit the psychos too. Should also be easy choices.
 
Certainly doesn't hurt, but how many Trump voters are like, well, now I have to vote Harris because Taylor Swift endorsed her. But then again, could get Swifties to go out and knock on doors. Who know.
 
EhringhausSouth said:
Certainly doesn't hurt, but how many Trump voters are like, well, now I have to vote Harris because Taylor Swift endorsed her. But then again, could get Swifties to go out and knock on doors. Who know.
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There’s a sizable portion of the populace that has no idea there’s even an election.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Your wife the teacher needed to be educated about Morrow? I find that to be pretty incredible in Wake County. Her crazy has been on full display in Wake for a long time now.
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My wife is pretty apolitical. It’s not a hobby of hers like it is mine. She votes but she doesn’t know details of every race months in advance.
 
EyeballKid said:
I want to applaud this—but it’s been so obvious for a long time now that HY2012 lacks the ability to empathize. It’s a common trait among the MAGA crowd, and HY has exhibited it in virtually every post I’ve seen since I joined the old ZZL several years ago.

That’s why it’s pointless to call him out or respond to his nonsense. He. Doesn’t. Care.

He’s obviously an intelligent guy, but there’s a pathology there that prevents him from feeling basic human emotions, much like Trump himself.
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Bingo! Winner winner chicken dinner.
I’ve been saying this for years. The Conservatives of this world - and I mean all hard right wingers from the Taliban to the JD Vance’s to the HY’s on this planet, simply lack the wherewithal to feel empathy toward anything that’s not in their immediate orbit or part of their immediate family.

No empathy whatsoever. I think it’s genetic. I think they have a predisposition in this lack of empathy toward others - especially towards “the other”.

Mostly, it’s the male species of the conservative variety. Though there are about 20% of the female population that fit this category. MTG comes to mind but she has so much testosterone she passes as male.

But that’s it. Trump, HY, and their ilk simply lack the basic human emotion of empathy toward other creatures.
 
superrific said:
And less irrational than wanting to "put America first" and voting for Trump. Less irrational than believing anything said by that obviously lying moron who surrounds himself with sycophants.

I don't care if 7 or 70 or 700 million people will vote for Trump. They are being completely idiotic, unless their #1 issue (and really only important one) is hating on minorities or banning abortion.
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Don’t forget rich guys getting their tax cuts.
 
As someone who is pretty active in the Swiftie community, it has a huge impact. We've already seen the fundraising impact, the registration impact, the volunteer impact- it's about as impactful as an endorsement could be in 2024 given her broad support. Obviously can't guarantee the impact will matter in the end, but I'm definitely willing to bet Kamala (at a minimum) gets tens of thousands more votes than she otherwise would have, which could be enough to flip a state or two given the margins here.
 
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