The "Burning it All Down" Thread

Ramrouser said:
…..AND. the 6.2 addition trillion Biden spent on his three mammoth bills filled with pork. Larry Summers warned that this spending would cause inflation and it did. Don’t say COVID. By the spring/summer of 2021 it was mostly over with most people vaxed.
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Larry Summers also thought the 2009 stimulus would cause inflation and it didn't. Larry Summers is not God. He doesn't see the future.

And the economic dislocations from Covid were absolutely not over. For one thing, China was in the midst of its own resurgence and it drastically limited trade as a result. Did you notice how the shelves were empty? That wasn't Biden and it wasn't spending. It was the fact that the people who make things couldn't get their materials, and if they could, they didn't necessarily have the labor, and if they did, they didn't have transport. It makes me upset that Pete B didn't get more credit for unfurling the massive problems at our ports that were causing massive backlogs.

Also, it's hard to grow the economy when 1M people die and another 200K have long-term disability. To say nothing of the retirements. When you shrink the population like this, GDP has to fall (at least against trend). Inflation is one way the GDP decline can manifest itself. That's not on Biden, and to some extent it's not on Trump either. Trump badly mismanaged the pandemic and our population and our economy suffered from it, but it's not as if anyone could have made the pandemic go away. So there was going to be an economic shock one way or the other.
 
It’s funny (in a not-so-funny kind of way) that there are people who say this country was better off when Trump left office, yet since that time, because of Trump, we have had to deal with threats of political violence if Trump didn’t win the election and had to beef up security at polling places. When have we had to deal that before in America? Certainly not in my lifetime, my parents’ lifetime, or my grandparents’ lifetime, if ever. But there we were during this election cycle due in large part to Trump’s rhetoric, lies, and attacks on our institutions. And yet people are trying to argue he left this country in better shape? No, that alone is enough to show how detrimental he has been to our country’s well-being.

And then there a this irony: when his supporters reflect on his presidency, they leave out the last year of it, which was an awful period of time. And when that last year is brought up to them, none of it was Trump’s fault because a pandemic the was out of his control. Yet somehow, the negative impacts of the pandemic are Biden’s fault— even when he wasn’t president during the first year of it— despite all of the work his administration had done to repair the negative effects of the pandemic and get things back on track.
 
First, whatever is going to happen will happen. Not much any of us can do about it so nobody should be burdened by their opinion on the matter either way.

My concern is that the vulnerable will suffer and that Trump will do what he can to protect his vulnerable people - poor rural whites. He protected farmers when his tariffs hurt them.

I would like to see the people who voted for this to at least get what they have coming to them.

I fully expect that in the next year or two I will be informed that there is no place in public school for my special needs child.
 
superrific said:
Larry Summers also thought the 2009 stimulus would cause inflation and it didn't. Larry Summers is not God. He doesn't see the future.

And the economic dislocations from Covid were absolutely not over. For one thing, China was in the midst of its own resurgence and it drastically limited trade as a result. Did you notice how the shelves were empty? That wasn't Biden and it wasn't spending. It was the fact that the people who make things couldn't get their materials, and if they could, they didn't necessarily have the labor, and if they did, they didn't have transport. It makes me upset that Pete B didn't get more credit for unfurling the massive problems at our ports that were causing massive backlogs.

Also, it's hard to grow the economy when 1M people die and another 200K have long-term disability. To say nothing of the retirements. When you shrink the population like this, GDP has to fall (at least against trend). Inflation is one way the GDP decline can manifest itself. That's not on Biden, and to some extent it's not on Trump either. Trump badly mismanaged the pandemic and our population and our economy suffered from it, but it's not as if anyone could have made the pandemic go away. So there was going to be an economic shock one way or the other.
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Not exactly relevant but wasn’t Summers the one who said that things like fraud and insider trading should not be illegal? He also played a key role in the deregulation that ultimately led to the financial crisis of 2008.

Edit: I think maybe that was Robert Rubin that I was thinking of.

Edit2: That was actually Greenspan.

"Greenspan had an unusual take on market fraud, Born recounted: 'He explained there wasn’t a need for a law against fraud because if a floor broker was committing fraud, the customer would figure it out and stop doing business with him.'"
 
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superrific said:
Larry Summers also thought the 2009 stimulus would cause inflation and it didn't. Larry Summers is not God. He doesn't see the future.

And the economic dislocations from Covid were absolutely not over. For one thing, China was in the midst of its own resurgence and it drastically limited trade as a result. Did you notice how the shelves were empty? That wasn't Biden and it wasn't spending. It was the fact that the people who make things couldn't get their materials, and if they could, they didn't necessarily have the labor, and if they did, they didn't have transport. It makes me upset that Pete B didn't get more credit for unfurling the massive problems at our ports that were causing massive backlogs.

Also, it's hard to grow the economy when 1M people die and another 200K have long-term disability. To say nothing of the retirements. When you shrink the population like this, GDP has to fall (at least against trend). Inflation is one way the GDP decline can manifest itself. That's not on Biden, and to some extent it's not on Trump either. Trump badly mismanaged the pandemic and our population and our economy suffered from it, but it's not as if anyone could have made the pandemic go away. So there was going to be an economic shock one way or the other.
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Over 600k of 1M COVID deaths were folks 75+. 900k over 65. Hardly the prime workforce.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
Oh cool. Another low information cultist. Just what the board needed.
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In Trump's first term most of them disappeared from the old IC ZZLP when Trump did things even they couldn't defend, especially during the pandemic. And they'll disappear this time as well when the cost of the Project 2025 program and the incompetence of the people he's appointing to his cabinet becomes clear, and it will.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
In Trump's first term most of them disappeared from the old IC ZZLP when Trump did things even they couldn't defend, especially during the pandemic. And they'll disappear this time as well when the cost of the Project 2025 program and the incompetence of the people he's appointing to his cabinet becomes clear, and it will.
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Yeah. He hasn’t even been sworn in yet and he’s already forced the Republicans on this very board to put on their knee pads and go to the mat defending: RFK Jr., pedophilia, the Sec. of Defense nominee having less managerial experience than your standard E-6 Army paper pusher, the incoming head of our intelligence agency being openly cheered on Russian state television as being a Russian asset, and the incoming First Lady’s bare ass being broadcast on Russian state media.
 
finesse said:
Almost true. Trump would have done his best to steal it if it was US money or even in the US. Since it was Iranian funds in foreign banks and money Iraq owed Iran for energy sales, all Biden did is let Iran have their own money.
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mast.house.gov

Biden Handed Over $16 Billion to Iran

The lesson here should’ve been that handing over billions of dollars to our enemy will only strengthen them and put our allies in harm's way.
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Icky Mettle said:
It’s funny (in a not-so-funny kind of way) that there are people who say this country was better off when Trump left office, yet since that time, because of Trump, we have had to deal with threats of political violence if Trump didn’t win the election and had to beef up security at polling places.
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19th century NYC's leader were largely based on what group of thugs beat up enough voters from their rivals to keep them from voting. Also attempting to vote as a black person during Jim Crow and parts of reconstruction could get you killed.

I get your point, but there has always been a part of the American population willing to use force to get their way.
 
Icky Mettle said:
It’s funny (in a not-so-funny kind of way) that there are people who say this country was better off when Trump left office, yet since that time, because of Trump, we have had to deal with threats of political violence if Trump didn’t win the election and had to beef up security at polling places. When have we had to deal that before in America? Certainly not in my lifetime, my parents’ lifetime, or my grandparents’ lifetime, if ever. But there we were during this election cycle due in large part to Trump’s rhetoric, lies, and attacks on our institutions. And yet people are trying to argue he left this country in better shape? No, that alone is enough to show how detrimental he has been to our country’s well-being.

And then there a this irony: when his supporters reflect on his presidency, they leave out the last year of it, which was an awful period of time. And when that last year is brought up to them, none of it was Trump’s fault because a pandemic the was out of his control. Yet somehow, the negative impacts of the pandemic are Biden’s fault— even when he wasn’t president during the first year of it— despite all of the work his administration had done to repair the negative effects of the pandemic and get things back on track.
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Icky Mettle said:
It’s funny (in a not-so-funny kind of way) that there are people who say this country was better off when Trump left office, yet since that time, because of Trump, we have had to deal with threats of political violence if Trump didn’t win the election and had to beef up security at polling places. When have we had to deal that before in America? Certainly not in my lifetime, my parents’ lifetime, or my grandparents’ lifetime, if ever. But there we were during this election cycle due in large part to Trump’s rhetoric, lies, and attacks on our institutions. And yet people are trying to argue he left this country in better shape? No, that alone is enough to show how detrimental he has been to our country’s well-being.

And then there a this irony: when his supporters reflect on his presidency, they leave out the last year of it, which was an awful period of time. And when that last year is brought up to them, none of it was Trump’s fault because a pandemic the was out of his control. Yet somehow, the negative impacts of the pandemic are Biden’s fault— even when he wasn’t president during the first year of it— despite all of the work his administration had done to repair the negative effects of the pandemic and get things back on track.
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It requires a certain degree of capacity for abstract thought to grasp and appreciate the point you have made compendiously in your last paragraph. MAGAs are concrete thinkers.
 
Icky Mettle said:
It’s funny (in a not-so-funny kind of way) that there are people who say this country was better off when Trump left office, yet since that time, because of Trump, we have had to deal with threats of political violence if Trump didn’t win the election and had to beef up security at polling places. When have we had to deal that before in America? Certainly not in my lifetime, my parents’ lifetime, or my grandparents’ lifetime, if ever. But there we were during this election cycle due in large part to Trump’s rhetoric, lies, and attacks on our institutions. And yet people are trying to argue he left this country in better shape? No, that alone is enough to show how detrimental he has been to our country’s well-being.

And then there a this irony: when his supporters reflect on his presidency, they leave out the last year of it, which was an awful period of time. And when that last year is brought up to them, none of it was Trump’s fault because a pandemic the was out of his control. Yet somehow, the negative impacts of the pandemic are Biden’s fault— even when he wasn’t president during the first year of it— despite all of the work his administration had done to repair the negative effects of the pandemic and get things back on track.
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Reconstruction was the same in the South, regarding polling places. That's not new. I imagine it likely occurred during the Civil Rights era too.

We basically let the Confederates into the White House now, despite all their protestations about how Democrats and liberals were the "party of slavery."
 
Yosef said:
I see you are the exact same as the last board. No substance just insults.
"Same as it ever was.."
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Oh, a transported troll. Probably one of the fuckwits that got the old board shut down.

What substance are you providing, exactly? Let’s start by listing all the wonderful things you think occurred during Trump’s first term in office. I’ll grab my popcorn while you copy and paste your list from whatever Russian-sponsored social media trash heap you get your information from these days.
 
Yosef said:
Pretty sure during Trump's last presidency he left our country in really good shape. I'm looking forward to his 4 more years.
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I have lurked on here since Rock started this site, and Inside Carolina for decades. Others give you a run for your money, but I think you may be the leader in the clubhouse for the singular dumbest person on here. Genuinely, I appreciate reading your takes as it explains the electorate and serves as a nice ego boost. You are the sort of dumb, ignorant, voter that the country is up against. Facts simply do not register to you. I want to continue studying you like Jane Goodall and the chimpanzees, but I have a bit more respect for those primates.

Ramrouser, HY.... at least...do not come across as blatantly stupid, but misguided and selfish with an inability (or unwillingness?) to prioritize a greater good.

Thank you for allowing me to continue studying you as a MAGA subject.
 
I called the last three elections correctly. In 2016, when this guy was first put in (most important election of our lifetimes, by the way), I stated to all my social media friends that it would end with Abrams rolling down Pennsylvania Ave like we saw with T-72s on Red Square during post-Soviet Russia's two constitutional crises. It didn't get quite to that the first time but darn close. And there's still another chance.

Here's what I think will likely happen:
1. Provided he's the diminished incoherent dickweed we saw on the campaign trail, they may try to assassinate him. "They" is a unique word because it was used against liberals despite the fact no liberal ever tried to assassinate him. But by "they," I mean the Musk, Theil, et al crowd. Maybe Putin?
2. He or Vance or whoever reaches 2028, they'll do a Reichstag moment. They're so close to complete power; they can feel it. Conservatism has always been about hierarchy. Nothing more. They'll change the rules just as soon as the demographics against them. They couldn't care less for "values." It's only about power.
They'll do something to suspend the 2028 election one way or another.

Call me crazy, but I've called it all along. I think the pivotal moment is the 2026 mid term. To the extent it's still "free and fair," it will either deny or supply the outcome above.

I'm not particularly articulate here, but anyone with half a sense of things can get it now. It's like watching a guy with a ski mask and AR walking up to a schoolhouse and wondering why the hell no one else gets it.
 
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