The Charlie Kirk Thread

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ChileG said:
I agree. That is one belief.
My point is this one belief on its own doesn’t make one a “leftist” or even political at all.
What if we find out that he is a staunch 2nd amendment supporter? Is he back to being conservative, middle of the road, etc?
My only point is we need more data points if we want to paint this guy with any sort of political stripe.
I know a guy (extremely active in politics) whose first choice for 2016 election was Bernie Sanders, but who voted for Trump in the general election. Saying a person is liberal or conservative based upon one singular issue is folly.
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I agree that politics can create strange bed fellows and alignments. RFKj's anti-vax views would traditionally align him with the left, until the conspiratorial right came along.

Robinson definitely doesn't strike me as a leftist, by any means. He doesn't evn appear to be "political", which isn't uncommon for someone in their early 20's. Dems have "get out the vote" for youth because they a) generally aren't active and b) generally align with Democratic views. On that point, people generally become political because of their views on specific topics or having strong views on a few topics, they don't join a party and then create their views.

Robinsons religious family ties don't appear to be that important, IMO. I was dragged to church/sunday school for my entire pre-adult life, stopped attending at first chance I had (age 18), eventually came to grips with my atheism and never looked back.
 
ZenMode said:
Which part do you disagree with:
  • He's in a homosexual relationship
  • The male he's in a relationship with is a trans woman
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You don't understand sexuality at all, so just fuck off. Sexual attraction to trans women is not homosexual. It's called androgynophilia and it is prevalent among straight men and gay men alike.

"Chicks with dicks" is a thing. There are peep shows about it, plenty of porn about it, and probably dating services about it. Trans women with male sexual organs were the subject of the excellent Almodovar film All About My Mother. You should watch it.
 
Calheel said:
I agree that prosecutors, even in extremely high profile cases, will defer to the police at the early stages.

But I think that it would be a huge stretch for police to forge a detailed text exchange between the critical witness and the defendant and give it to the prosecutors without the prosecutors wanting to see the actual text exchange. That is hard to believe.
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I think police forging a text chain is generally a huge stretch in the first place. But whatever text chain they present, I think most of the time the prosecutor is not spending much, if any, time “fact checking.” I think they are going with what the police provide without digging much deeper. I mean, they probably ask to see screenshots of the text exchange but they’re not questioning it much beyond that.
 
ZenMode said:
There's more evidence for my claim than against my claim.

To whatever degree they are intimate, I assure you he knows he's intimate with a male.
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He's intimate with somebody who you think is male. That is not the same thing as being a male, given that you reject all medical science on the topic.

I'm not going to participate in more derailment by you and your obsession with trans people. Just know that you are wrong; everyone here knows you are wrong; and you're an arrogant piece of shit for assuming you know more than all doctors.
 
superrific said:
He's intimate with somebody who you think is male.
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Based on my understanding of biology, yes. Lance, it has been reported, is transitioning from male to female, which means Lance has a twig & berries.
superrific said:
That is not the same thing as being a male, given that you reject all medical science on the topic.
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Actually, having male genes and male parts is precisely what it means to be male.
 
superrific said:
He's intimate with somebody who you think is male. That is not the same thing as being a male, given that you reject all medical science on the topic.

I'm not going to participate in more derailment by you and your obsession with trans people. Just know that you are wrong; everyone here knows you are wrong; and you're an arrogant piece of shit for assuming you know more than all doctors.
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Leave it. He's just upset that nobody ever mistakes him for a man.
 
Tar1978Heel said:
No such thing as chicks with dicks asshat….Only guys with tits….So if you are with a transgender that has a dick and you are a man you are Gay and not straight….

You can call yourself a women all you want but you don’t live in reality it’s a fantasy world….

It’s a mental illness….I can identify as truck but I ain’t no truck…
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You should get a job with Wormbrain's DHHS . Maybe in some Mental Health Division . You would be a great fit
 
Tar1978Heel said:
No such thing as chicks with dicks asshat….Only guys with tits….So if you are with a transgender that has a dick and you are a man you are Gay and not straight….

You can call yourself a women all you want but you don’t live in reality it’s a fantasy world….

It’s a mental illness….I can identify as truck but I ain’t no truck…
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You can identify as intelligent but you sure as fuck ain't that either.

Why do you doubt medical science on this? Are there other areas where you think doctors are full of shit? Like, if you go see the doctor for a heart issue and he prescribes beta blockers or statins, do you say, "you live in a fantasy world motherfucker?" Or it just this one issue? If it's just this one issue, then it's not just skepticism -- you are actively asserting that you know more about the human body than doctors.

Which makes you a grade A moron.
 
Ramrouser said:
I don't have FB so it's not my friends or group commenting.

I see lots of libs commenting on the death basically stating that Kirk had it coming, i.e. he deserved the bullet in his neck.

Others gleefully singing songs sending "thoughts and prayers" to Kirk. While social media may be amplifying this issue I disagree that it is isolated.

There's definitely an assassination culture developing on the left. A September 10, 2025 YouGov poll found that in the immediate aftermath of the Kirk shooting 72% of Americans said violence is never justified, while 11% said it can be sometimes justified. The question asked respondents was whether they think "it is ever justified for citizens to resort to violence in order to achieve political goals." Liberals more likely to say that violence is sometimes justified.

25% of respondents who identified as "very liberal" said violence can sometimes be justified to achieve political goals.

17% of those who identified as "liberal" agreed

9% of moderates agreed

6% of conservatives

3% of very conservative.

Younger Americans were also more likely to say political violence can be justified.

25% of liberals under 45 years agreed with this statement.
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So that's 25% of the 11% that said that "violence" (which isn't exclusive to murder) were very liberal?

I'd really have to read this "poll" as this doesn't align at all with my social media feeds. Yes there are some idiots who celebrate, the majority are saying murder is wrong. The groups I see advocating payback or war or "awaking the army of god" are conservative.

Of course most of them, like you appear to be doing, ignore the data that the majority of mass shootings are committed by white men.

I also think that the ones posting these things are outliers on both ends of the spectrum. Most people have to much going on trying to live, they don't have time for retribution for a talking head.
 
Tar1978Heel said:
No such thing as chicks with dicks asshat….Only guys with tits….So if you are with a transgender that has a dick and you are a man you are Gay and not straight….

You can call yourself a women all you want but you don’t live in reality it’s a fantasy world….

It’s a mental illness….I can identify as truck but I ain’t no truck…
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Seems like you’ve spent a lot of time thinking about chicks with dicks and guys with tits.
 
nycfan said:





Saul/Paul might object.
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I had no idea how influential Kirk was on the right. I had no idea how "big" he was. Even if you account for the fact that people tend to exaggerate the value, positive traits, etc of the deceased, what's happening is truly shocking to me.
 
he wasn't this big. he was recently embroiled in extensive infighting with bunches of other right wing luminaries.

like they do at every possible opportunity, the right is turning his tragic death into a sweeping opportunity to grind axes and air grievances and punish opponents.
 
4thgenheel said:
lolz.

sexuality is a big ol spectrum, there are literally countless outcomes.
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Sure, but either you like dick or you don't. No amount of makeup, hormones, boobs, etc would make me attracted to a biological male.

Tyler, assuming they were intimate, which it appears they were, knew he was with a male.
 
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