The Charlie Kirk Thread

nrsair said:
I’ve been following a lot of liberal/leftist accounts, subreddits etc over the past few months- don’t align politically but it’s been the best way to find out how to help families and children in Gaza. I have seen exactly no one celebrating Charlie Kirk’s death. Lots of people on the right seem to believe it’s happening but I just don’t see it.
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It's the Sydney Sweeney syndrome. They swore we were all kinds of upset about those ads. Those ads didn't register on my give a damn scale at all. Nor was I aware of anyone who did care. I'm sure if I looked hard enough I could find someone, but for the most part, it's manufactured outrage.
 
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So the thought now is that the shot was around 200 yards, which some are saying is not a hard shot to make. However, this person took that shot once, killed Kirk with law enforcement and people all around them, apparently packed up and/or disassembled their rifle, including possibly the spent cartridge, egressed from the top of the building without being seen by eyewitnesses, apparently made it to transportation and left the scene while somehow rendering all of the camera footage, personal cellphone footage and license plate readers that LEO relies on these days ineffective (so far).

This appears to have been fairly methodically planned. It doesn't appear to be a random person with minimal firearms training who bough an AR and decided to do this on a whim. This person appears to have been experienced.
 
Mundial said:
So the thought now is that the shot was around 500 yards, which some are saying is not a hard shot to make. However, this person took that shot once, killed Kirk with law enforcement and people all around them, apparently packed up and/or disassembled their rifle, including possibly the spent cartridge, egressed from the top of the building without being seen by eyewitnesses, made it to transpiration and left the scene while somehow rendering all of the camera footage, personal cellphone footage and license plate readers that LEO relies on these days ineffective (so far).

This appears to have been fairly methodically planned. It doesn't appear to be a random person with minimal firearms training who bough an AR and decided to do this.
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Where are you seeing 500 yards? Everything I’ve seen has said 200 yards or 520 feet.
 
Rock said:
I don’t think the “assassination” title thing is worth squabbling about and would probably agree that this was an assassination myself. But, until we find out a little more I’m just gonna say shot and killed.

I think since we’re all adults here and this is a very incendiary type event, a little longer leash is ok for people to vent a little. I have seen virtually the same reaction on any social media type conversation I have consumed today. People are angry/frightened/scared/worried/etc. so emotions are running high.
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@nycfan was given power to make those types of decisions by people who trust her decision making and her opinion should stand. No offense, but a thread title on this, the tiniest of tiny corners of the internet, means absolutely nothing in the overall scheme of things.

IF someone took the time to reach out to her to bitch, it's that person who has the issue.
 
dukeman92 said:
It's the Sydney Sweeney syndrome. They swore we were all kinds of upset about those ads. Those ads didn't register on my give a damn scale at all. Nor was i aware of anyone who did care. I'm sure if I looked hard enough I could find someone, but for the most part, it's manufactured outrage.
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Evidence of the danger of social media algorithms and entertainment masquerading as news. You're fed rage bait, and you end up in a rage. Nevermind whether the content is representative or even accurate.
 
p5mmr9 said:
And why? This "we'll show them" attitude is a contributing factor to where we are now. If you don't "point out" their hypocrisy does that make them any less hypocritical? Is this the only example of their hypocrisy? Is this the only time where you can point out they are hypocritical shits? Is all lost if you don't point this out today on this particular issue? Are the knuckle dragging conservatives going door with a shotgun looking for registered democrats and the only way to stop this is by shaming them on the internet? It seems pretty self evident to anyone outside the MAGA bubble that these people are hate filled warmongers who contribute more to violent rhetoric than any major movement in this country's history. Shaming them now won't fix this problem. We can turn away - allow the legal process to play out - figure out this person's motives and then address the societal issues from there. That seems a lot healthier than whatever the fuck is happening on the internet.
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Or perhaps we are where we are because liberals have sat by silently for 30 years while conservatives and their media have lied, provoked, and divided this country. Liberals didn’t want to sink to their level and assumed Americans were smart enough to see through the propaganda. Liberals were too late in realizing the rules of the game has changed.

Add to that imbalance the rhetoric of Donald Trump as a political leader. He poured gas on a fire that was already raging thanks to Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News. Liberals have sat silently for decades watching right wing lies become the controlling force in our political narrative. And unless I misinterpret what you are saying, you are advocating a continuation of allowing the other side to control our political narrative. When exactly is it OK to speak up?
 
theel4life said:
The Right is making Charlie Kirk into a martyr. On my way to work this morning I saw 3 different businesses with their flags at half mast. Since I have been at work I have had 2 people tell me to my face you guys did this and you picked the wrong man to kill. This is getting scary.
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Seems pretty clear that he was a martyr, based on the common definitions of the word.
 
Healing said:
That incel who took a shot at Trump was deep into right wing online fever swamps, yet also appeared to simply want fame and suicide by cop. Nothing coherent at all.

The guy who stalked Trump at the golf course was a right winger and former trumper who allegedly split with Trump bc Ukraine. He’s set to represent himself and has challenged Trump to a golf match to settle things. Coherence doesn’t sound like a strong suit.

Could be a focused and deliberative assassination. Could be what we’ve previously seen.
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As a mental health professional, when you think to yourself, “who in their right mind would do such a thing?”…. there’s your answer.
 
p5mmr9 said:
I have so little interest in this back and forth. I don't even care about Kirk's politics at this point. What happened is fucking terrible - full stop. Whether he was killed by someone on the Left or the Right or because Kirk was a celebrity of some renown and he was killed by a stalker is kind of irrelevant. I feel like we on the Left could sit the "who is worse" fight out this time. There really are no political points to score here.
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I understand the sentiment but think you are missing the point in this specific instance. Did you read the tweets - all from major MAGA movement influencers with large followings - in the post I was quoting? Those posts are not about the killing of Kirk or Kirk's politics. They are about calling for action in response to Kirk's murder. They include these quotes:

"The Democrat Party is a domestic terror organization" and "When Democrats lose elections they couldn't steal, they murder the people they were unable to defeat" - those both from Sean Davis, the CEO and founder of the Federalist.

"If they won't leave us in peace, then our choice is fight or die" - from Elon Musk

"The Democrat Party must be classified as a domestic terror organization."

"The left is a national security threat" - from Laura Loomer.

Repeated calls for war, civil war, and prosecuting leftists organizations under RICO.

There is one guy who actually advocates for using the Charlie Kirk shooting as the "American Reichstag Fire." As in, not warning that it could be like the Reichstag Fire, but in advocating that Trump do what Hitler did after the Reichstag Fire. That post has 31,000 likes on Twitter.

This is not the debate about "whose political rhetoric has been more heated over the last _________ years." I'm fine with giving that a rest. This is about MAGA and its leaders immediately seizing on Kirk's death to advocate for a violent crackdown on the political opposition. To advocate for the elimination of free speech and other civil liberties. Respectfully, I am not going to shut up about that. There is only one side of the political aisle that attempts to weaponize these sorts of things to advocate for authoritarianism. And when other posters come on here and claim this is a "both sides" issue, that works to the advantage of the people who would seek to use this tragedy as a pretext for something much darker and much more terrible than the murder of a single person.
 
nycfan said:
Later videos suggest Kirk was hit in the chest but the bullet ricocheted off his bulletproof vest and hit his neck. Which still seems to suggest a relative novice — seems like a professional sniper would have recognized the contours (and likelihood) of a bulletproof vest.
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If that is accurate, it really underscores how this was a/n (un)lucky shot by the shooter, as one would expect a shot that hit a bulletproof vest to be stopped by the vest and not somehow ricochet to one of the most sensitive/important parts of the body.
 
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